MichiganScott
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There is no way I'm pulling over for tribal police because I'm not a tribal member. As long as I'm in my vehicle on a public right-of-way I have no reason to believe that they have any jurisdiction.
Proof of Ownership
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pmosley
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May want to give that decision more thought. Like many things in this life, all is not black and white.........
http://www.indiancountrynews.com/cr...in-power-to-arrest-non-indians-on-reservation
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And they will chase you down with the help of the local state troopers and put you in jail. I saw two different cars pulled over by tribal police on Highway 40 in Arizona or New Mexico I don't remember but the SUV was clearly marked as "Navajo Nation Police".
Do a Google image search for tribal police and see all the official vehicles.
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wbear
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In 1975 I was visiting my grandfathers farm in Ohio groundhog hunting. As I was commuting between hunting spots on I70 I was pulled over by an Ohio State Trooper.
He noticed that I had a large wooden gun case in the back seat, 20rd AR mags on the floorboard and ammo boxes on the front seat. He asked what I was doing and I explained the visit. He told me to slow down and watch it cause there were anti gun Troopers around who may not be so friendly.
At the time the OSP were known as the strictest in the nation and gave no quarter. Guess he took pity on me. If I had been made to show proof of ownership I would have been still in the slammer.
He noticed that I had a large wooden gun case in the back seat, 20rd AR mags on the floorboard and ammo boxes on the front seat. He asked what I was doing and I explained the visit. He told me to slow down and watch it cause there were anti gun Troopers around who may not be so friendly.
At the time the OSP were known as the strictest in the nation and gave no quarter. Guess he took pity on me. If I had been made to show proof of ownership I would have been still in the slammer.
Jerry N.
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Your original post said your photo driver's license. In Michigan, our name address and more important, birth date is on your license. That's enough to open accounts in your name.
As for your face, don't be so casual. I know someone who does facial recognition work for law enforcement. You'd be surprised how your picture can be used. Of course, that's way on the very unlikely side of things, but it does happen.
Be careful.
Good luck with that . . . .
Majorlk
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I hope you enjoy your stay in the tribal jail. On tribal lands the tribal police have ABSOLUTE jurisdiction.
As far as the Feds are concerned, these are independent, sovereign nations. Under certain circumstances, their laws supersede federal law. I would not bet that FOPA necessarily applies without verifying that first. It applies to NYS, but they routinely ignore it and arrest travelers quite often.
PS - Do you refuse to stop for a trooper in another state because you aren't a resident of that state?
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Majorlk
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CrazyFingers
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Gun laws in Arizona - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's from Wikipedia, so take it for what it is.
It's from Wikipedia, so take it for what it is.
RED ZMAN
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Hahaha, not worth getting shot or run off the road for. Won't pull over for a taillight being out, so you'll risk a felony?
They have TONS of power, they flex their muscles in NM occasionally and put roadblocks over state highways that cross their lands to protest or prove a point. Yeah, they can arrest the HELL out of you.
Ah perfect! Thanks for finding that.
From Wikipedia:
Navajo Nation police will seize any loaded firearm found to be accessible to the driver or passenger and confiscated firearms are not returnable unless the owner can establish proof of ownership of the firearm and ammunition by presenting a bill of sale or other evidence at the police station at a later date.
And below is exactly what I did through most of New Mexico and Arizona just in case since it's not clear where tribal land starts and stops.
During such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm or ammunition must be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
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That question gets answered "Why?"
A picture of the gun with the serial number recorded (MiGuns app) would seem to constitute "other evidence," but I don't have any plans to get anywhere near a reservation with a gun.
I have reservations about this topic of traveling with firearms on Indian land...
bill1917
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Katrina
Concerning the broader topic of proof of ownership, remember the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. A lot of guns were confiscated, and the police demanded proof of ownership before returning them. If I remember right the NRA filed a suit against the city over this. Don't assume this could not happen again.
Concerning the broader topic of proof of ownership, remember the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. A lot of guns were confiscated, and the police demanded proof of ownership before returning them. If I remember right the NRA filed a suit against the city over this. Don't assume this could not happen again.
CrazyFingers
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Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm not saying it could not happen again. Armed law enforcement (local, state, or federal) can do whatever they want and there isn't anything you or I can really do about it except get shot.
But it isn't supposed to happen again.
Never use Wikipedia as a "go to" source . . .
George Armstrong Custer's last words: "Where the hell did all those Indians come from?"
CrazyFingers
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I understand your point, but please show where the information was incorrect.
Clicking on the second reference in the Wikipedia article takes you to the LoC Bill summary:
SUMMARY AS OF:
4/7/2006--Introduced.
Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006 - Amends the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act to prohibit any U.S. officer or employee, or person operating under color of federal law, under control of a federal official, or providing services to such person, while acting in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency, from: (1) seizing, or authorizing seizure of, any firearm the possession of which is not prohibited under federal or state law, other than for forfeiture in compliance with federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation; (2) requiring registration of any firearm for which registration is not required by federal or state law; (3) prohibiting possession of any firearm in any place or by any person where such possession is not otherwise prohibited; or (4) prohibiting the carrying of a firearm by any person otherwise authorized to carry firearms, solely because such person is operating under the direction, control, or supervision of a federal agency in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency.
Authorizes any individual aggrieved by a violation of this Act to seek relief by bringing an action for redress and by bringing a civil action in U.S. district court for return of a confiscated firearm.
The current status of the bill and the relevant amendments can be found here:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:H.R.5441:
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photoracer
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That is why I buy buttered microwave popcorn.I have popcorn but no butter.
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