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[32flyingk9]

Safety, you say?

 

[Bkreutz]

This has been thrashed to death on this Forum. Simply put; those that like safeties on a pistol, have them, those that don't like safeties on a pistol, don't. Rehashing this over & over is pointless. Neither side will convince the other side to change, so why bother asking the question? There are several threads on the subject you can use to research if you feel the need.

I think it gets rehashed (much like the "one in the chamber" threads) is because people like repeating the same argument. It almost seems like some of the participants have their stock response saved on their computer and all they have to do is copy and paste it into the current argument.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I think it gets rehashed (much like the "one in the chamber" threads) is because people like repeating the same argument. It almost seems like some of the participants have their stock response saved on their computer and all they have to do is copy and paste it into the current argument.

If you carry with an empty chamber, should you have the safety engaged?

 

[NCW Ray]

You've heard it before, if that mom had engaged the safety on her Shield when it was in her purse, her 2 year old son would not have killed her. That is not the reason for a safety, it would have been an unintended good consequence. Another possible use for a safety is for those who pocket or handbag carry without a holster. That sounds irresponsible to me but irresponsible and impossible are two different things.

My Shield has a safety but I haven't touched it since the safety demo I had to show the dealer when purchasing the gun. Fortunately it is both hard to release and engage so it might as well be welded in the off position.

So you don't train using the safety and just leave it off all the time?"

 

[tonesurfer]

Thought this was a birth control thread...

 

[MSG Glenn]

I don't believe in safeties on a striker fired pistol. It's not needed & this is from a retired Military man that was well trained with the 1911 as well as the M9 in both the Navy & the Army where having a firearm on "safe" was mandatory. If I ever got a good deal on a pistol that had a safety I wouldn't use it unless it's a 1911 or similar where I'd carry cocked & locked.

 

[snubbyfan]

Hold on a minute guys.

 

[rsrocket1]

So you don't train using the safety and just leave it off all the time?"

Absolutely. Finger off the trigger until it is pointing at what I'm intending to shoot.

I've had an M&P 40 FS for 3-1/2 years and that has no safety so it's no big deal to simply treat it the same way.

 

[snubbyfan]

Carry on.

 

[NCW Ray]

Absolutely. Finger off the trigger until it is pointing at what I'm intending to shoot.

I've had an M&P 40 FS for 3-1/2 years and that has no safety so it's no big deal to simply treat it the same way.

I guess I'm not so trusting in a man-made machine as you are to trust my life on a safety not being able to be accidentally engaged. I've never had a malfunction with any of my M&P's but I still do malfunction drills just in case it does happen. I'm a firm believer in "Murphy's Law".
YMMV

 

[32flyingk9]

When I carried the 645/4506/4006, the safety/decocker was always in the up position. I can still hear the instructors saying, "If it ain't up, you can't get it on".

 

[Dandecoteau]

"If it ain't up, you can't get it on".

That's true for a lot of things in life.. LOL

 

[Decipher]

Train some more, Decipher.

You can't train away a piss poor design. I'm perfectly fine carrying without the safety. Had S&W offered the non-safety version when I purchased mine, I would have gone that route. There's a reason they made a version without a safety. All the pros tell you not to bother with it, so why throw anything between you and the application of your weapon. It's not a training issue. Trust me. It's a poor and unnecessary thing on the Shield.

 

[Sailor29]

Trust you? You've only had the gun for a couple of weeks and then you say you "extensively trained" with it. Then you come out with the 60% failure to disengage the safety conclusion. That's why I came out with the "train some more" statement.

 

[JAMMAN]

After reading this thread I puled my gun and didn't find a safety. Wait that was a taser.

I'm still on the fence on the safety issue. I bought my 9C without one. I do believe with the right muscle memory you wouldn't have a problem disengaging a safety on draw. A little easier on a C or a FS than a shield due to that little nub they have, I don't own a shield but I have fondled one and witnessed the safety.

During shooting a 9C at the range before purchasing mine I accidentally engaged the safety between shots but that was just n00b related. It was what made the decision to purchase without a safety.

Still on the fence.

 

[TTSH]

Safeties? Safeties? We don't need no stinkin' safeties!

 

[Bkreutz]

Thought this was a birth control thread...

Makes me think of a joke from HS

"How do you stop the stork?

Shoot it in the air!"

 

[DeathF.above]

A safety doesn't make a firearm any safer in my opinion. How many times have you accidentally pulled the trigger on a gun where you thought to yourself 'good thing I had my safety on'. Treat all guns with respect regardless of the circumstance. That being said, safeties do have their place in certain situations for certain firearms. Mine does not tho.

 

[rwsmith]

For a carry gun.....

I prefer double action just as if it were a revolver. If the time comes I don't want to fiddle with anything, just point, shoot and take great pictures.

 

[John R]

I agree with training will help, BUT in a high stress situation, will you really remember to flip that safety off? What if you don't?

You won't get a second chance to worry about it.