Question on Basic Training....

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Has anyone here ever heard of or actually saw a recruit get off the bus during the "yellow footprints" phase and go off on the Drill Instructors and tell them that the DI's would now be taking orders from them?

(Reason: met a young man today in his late 20's/early 30's that told me he got kicked out of the Army for doing that and shoving the Drill Sergeant who got in his face. I actually knew one guy that was going to do this, but never made it past the recruiter).
 
No I have not. But I was too busy standing there looking straight ahead to notice.

My guess is that person didn't work out and that is their version of the story of why they were discharged.

It is my understanding the DIs now are far more tame than they used to be and I don't recall them being much different than my Dad.
 
I started AOCS in Jan, ‘70. We had Marine DI’s. As others have said, I too looked straight ahead and tried not to be noticed - didn’t work - so I can’t say for certain, however, I don’t think our DIs would have put up with that kind of nonsense if it had occurred. We did have one young guy show up with his head shaved to a Mohawk. Our DI duck marched him to all the class bays in the battalion, and then he was just…gone. Never saw him again….
 
When I experienced basic training I was in a group comprised of draftees, volunteers, and a surprising number of college graduates who had taken advantage of student deferments until no further options remained. The overwhelming attitude was to go along, get along, and get it over with.

We also had a group of Mexican citizens who had come to the US for college, then been drafted while here. Having had a couple years of elementary Spanish in school, I was detailed to facilitate their transition. One became a lifelong friend.

Another small group of observant Jewish draftees was allowed to bunk together and see to their own dietary needs at meal times, rations and appropriate utensils provided. No particular problems that I recall.

Other than one black kid in my high school class, this was my first experience with young black guys (1968 was not a stellar year for such issues). Probably a result of policies, minorities were incorporated into each squad, platoon, etc, and we all learned to function as a unit to get through each day.

One boisterously loud young guy from Northern Ireland made it very clear that he was there to learn skills to take home and join in the fight against British oppression. He did not complete basic training, left in the company of a couple of serious guys in suits (CID, perhaps FBI?).

Couple of Canadians in the company, came to the US to join the US Army. Good guys, but they took a lot of nonsense from draftees wishing they had gone to Canada for the duration.

The mess hall was completely abysmal. The mess sergeant apparently had a deal with local pig farmers, selling the slop cans for pig food. The less we got on our meal trays the more was in the slop cans to be sold. The old staff sergeant was a WW2 veteran and Medal of Honor recipient, quietly relieved and transferred out, probably to a treatment facility for alcoholics. No official statements, only rumors and innuendo.

The drill sergeants were all combat veterans, very serious guys who were on the job at least 12 hours every single day. Corporal punishment was strictly forbidden, but Staff Sergeant Gilcrest had a habit of making his point by poking us in the chest with a knuckle, right where the dog tags hang over the sternum. I always had bruises. Better than another 50 push-ups, and much easier to take than a half-hour in the "dying cockroach" position.

I later enjoyed the Paul Newman movie "Cool Hand Luke", which I believe to be Sgt. Gilcrest's inspiration for digging holes, filling them in, then digging them again. My old entrenching tool probably still shows the wear of my hands.

Scrubbing the latrine floor and fixtures with a toothbrush. Polishing the linoleum floors with scraps of GI blankets. Picking up the contents of my foot locker, thrown out the door because my razor or shaving brush weren't perfectly positioned for inspections. Contents of my laundry bag dumped in the mud because the knots weren't perfectly centered on my bunk rail.

Rifle training! Lots of fun. Introduced to the US Rifle M-14 caliber 7.62mm, a gas-operated, magazine-fed, shoulder-fired, semi and fully-automatic infantry weapon.

Some confusion about "gas-operated", a couple of guys tried to figure out where the gas tank was.

Magazine? Where is it? I want to read it and learn what this is all about.

Bayonet training! You will always go for the soft fleshy parts of the body. You do not want the blade of your bayonet to become lodged in the bony parts of the body. If the blade of your bayonet becomes lodged in the bones you do not act like John Wayne and try to yank it out, you just fire one round from your rifle and the recoil will free the blade of your bayonet. Any questions?

"Sir, if there is one round left in my rifle why the heck am I in a bayonet fight?"

"Get down, gimme twenty push-ups now!" (Never got a good explanation for that question).

Qualification day! 82 pop-up targets at ranges from 75 meters to 360 meters, time depending on the distance. Shooting from foxhole, prone, sitting, standing. 84 rounds of ammunition. Mud, puddles, soaking wet, light rain, miserably cold.

Basic qualification was 70%, 57 targets dropped, ranked as "Marksman". 80%, 64 targets, ranked as "Sharpshooter". 90%, 72 targets, ranked as "Expert" (and a 3-day off-post pass!).

My sorry old specimen of M-14, manufactured by TRW Corporation (a satellite company), lovingly maintained by me for my 8 weeks but perhaps indifferently treated by dozens of others before me. Held at arm's length and shaken vigorously, that old rifle rattled like a bucket of nickels in a boxcar.

Turned in a perfect score. 82 targets dropped, turned in 2 live rounds of ammo. Staff Sergeant Gilcrest loved me then! He had bragging rights! I even got to see the rifle trophy in the display case at the day room when I was assigned to clean the day room (which trainees were never allowed to use, of course). Picture in the post newspaper. Promotion to Private E-2, a raise in salary from $92 per month to $103 IIRC.

Enough recollections for one day, I think.
 
Remember in a draftee Army
the recruits came from all walks
of life, many from tough sections
of cities where life was already
precarious.

I recall two incidents. Apparently
a training sergeant was beaten
to a pulp. Recruits all over the
post were checked for bruised hands,
etc. In a second incident a sergeant
was attacked at night, a blanket thrown
over his head and he was flung down
a flight of stairs. At the bottom he
suffered bone-breaking stomps. Both
are admittedly hearsay stories.

Still I believe the "tough guy" street could
run both ways.
 
Ft Jacksonville SC 1965...would not have happened.
I suspect it did not happen for the young man in question.

Yes. Fort Jackson is located adjacent to Columbia, South Carolina. My introduction to US Army life, chiggers, and good old Staff Sergeant Gilcrest.

I actually had 3 days in the Army between my induction in Kansas City and arrival at Fort Jackson, all spent on a chartered bus without a shower or change of clothing. Kind of a relief to get off the bus and stand in line for a few hours, be herded through a warehouse to get a basic issue of clothing, spend a couple of days in-processing (How would you like your hair cut young man?), then on to a WW2-era wooden barracks with a posted notice pronouncing it unfit for human occupancy.

Apparently the good folks in charge feared the consequences of not following orders to use the old barracks buildings more than they feared the condemnation notices prominently displayed.

Hot showers twice every week, whether we needed it or not, and we only had to march about a mile to get to the hot water. In between we made do with cold water in a barracks without heat in the freezing rain of a South Carolina winter.

Did I mention the food? Best not to dwell on that.
 
I went through Basic in 1972. The Army had changed by then. Drill Sergeants were not longer allowed to strike recruits. However, if you were foolish enough to lay your hands on a DS, they would defend themselves vigorously. :rolleyes:

OP, I think that young man's story is a steaming pile of poop. He's making up excuses for his own failure.
 
Wow, when I was in some guy like that first assignment would have been in base hospital until he healed…. recycled and been on the - - - - list in new Bn. However, nothing surprises me these days….

A few days in dental followed by the hospitality of the brig as well.

Thanks for the input, all!
 
I view with suspicion any tale of “I showed him/her . . . “

That's why I asked.

Seen guys crack, but never this. Never even heard of it until this.

FWIW some of his co-workers did confirm...but didn't go into detail. Suffice to say he didn't even make it past getting the shots.

Personally, I thnk if this did happen as he described, he either changed his mind and wanted out or he cracked.

What I thought of the guy and his "story" would get me banned from here.
 
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71 at Ft Campbell we had couple (3 IIRC) screw ups in our platoon. One guy was on drugs, how he kept them or got them, have no idea. He could not do PT without falling out. One day he was just gone, have no idea what happened to him. Another guy was really “ simple”, could not do anything. One night he got a blanket party led by platoon Sgt. Few days later we learned he was only 16 and he was gone. The other one was son of a Major, way over weight and thought he would “ get over” because of his dad. He was scared of bugs, have no idea how preying mantis got in his bunk, then in his footlocker. Had some idiot on rifle range that had a FTF with M-16. He turned around pointing rifle at half the firing line and DI. DI hit him with range paddle so hard his liner went flying. On inspection day a guy in next company layout was so bad we heard the IG yelling at him . Next thing we see was his mattress flying out window on top floor. Next was top tray of his footlocker.
 
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In the 1980's, I would often order up a detail of raw recruits from the reception station at Ft. Knox to perform various menial tasks. It is amazing how a 3 lb. can of coffee was able to procure the labor of a half dozen men for a day.

One time, this kid was bragging about how he was actually a conscientious objector, and that he would never go into combat. I left the rest of the recruits with my subordinate, loaded this kid up in the truck, and took him back to the reception station where he repeated his claim to the commanding officer. He was out of the Army that quick with a general discharge.
 
I went in in 69 , one of my brothers followed me in 70. At one point in basic I was called into the duty hut by the DIs all 3 of them were present and I got severely harassed and a bit slapped around, whacked by a clipboard etc, made to squat against a wall while they harassed me. I just yes, sired and no sired and took it. My brother and everyone else I knew had a similar experience. I think it was just part of the whole thing and maybe an evaluation. I am quite sure if I had fought back I would have gotten a beating. I saw guys get some serious beat downs. Later, I have often wondered what would happen if you fought back and then as you laid on the floor a bloody mess said to them " Let that be a lesson to you". LOL Later in life I wasn't bashful about fighting and several times got seriously knocked around.
 
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If I remember right , the guys who saw us get off the bus weren't our DI's . Once there were enough guys in the transit barracks they would form a platoon and the DI's would come get the mob . I don't even think they were DI's , maybe DI's in training .

Plenty of stories , but one sticks out . Remember going to the showers with your belt around your neck so you could clean it ? One of the guys obviously forgot where the was . He came dillybopping out of the shower whistling . Now one of our DI's had been on the Marine Corps weight lifting team . This look came over him when he heard the whistling . He walked over , grabbed the guys belt and picked him up until his feet were off the ground . The belt pressed on his carotid artery and out he went . SSgt Place calmly looked down at the guy , tuned around and walked away . There was never another incident at shower time .
 
...regardless of branch or timeframe.

Has anyone here ever heard of or actually saw a recruit get off the bus during the "yellow footprints" phase and go off on the Drill Instructors and tell them that the DI's would now be taking orders from them?

(Reason: met a young man today in his late 20's/early 30's that told me he got kicked out of the Army for doing that and shoving the Drill Sergeant who got in his face. I actually knew one guy that was going to do this, but never made it past the recruiter).

My guess is that person didn't work out and that is their version of the story of why they were discharged.
That kid is probably one of those you see touting his exploits as a Navy SEAL on youtube.

DI's were never "allowed" to strike recruits, but in those days it was "don't ask, don't tell", and the DI's were a tight knit group who'd back each other up regardless of how wrong one was. Repercussions could be harsh for recruits who'd blab when someone was "physically corrected", so they kept their mouths shut for the most part.

I had a great uncle who was a Parris Island DI back in the 1950's and later an instructor at Camp Lejeune during the 1960's. He tried to get me to join the Marines when I was a teenager, but my attitude at the time was "no way, Jose", because I knew where I'd end up (Vietnam). I did admire him, though, as he was always good to my sister and I when we visited them in Jacksonville, and when he'd take us to the base PX, it was like everybody knew him.
 
Not actual real news but MSNBC just
mentioned this early afternoon how
recruitments for all services were
down.

Reason given were more couch potatoes,
sense of individual worth among young
men and a belief that U.S. policies not
worth commitment.

Add to this a report I recently read where
the military has had to lower standards to
attract or allow entry of recruits.

Now when it comes to individual branches,
I've always heard the Marines were trained
to be "shock troops" and they are very good
at it. But in the same breath, I remember
Army officers referring to them as "our
cannon fodder." Right or wrong this is
an image the Marines have. Young men
entering the Corps have to really fight
being jaded about their futures.
 

Yes, this.

Interesting point, the lower scores for
entry only qualify a potential recruit
for Army infantry or armored cavalry
scouts. They fit into the category of
"they were expendable."
I think that speaks volumes to consider compulsory military service. Not a draft, but do it like countries such as Israel and Switzerland.
 
I've heard a few in service stories in this vein.
One case, the guy was an instructor (classroom type, not R Lee Ermie kind)
Heavy technical subject matter, that almost nobody in the class seemed to grasp. Out of frustration, and probable mental defect, he drew his service pistol and pounded 124 grains into the ceiling tile.
brig and dishonorable discharge was the result.
Another case is a guy I flew RC models with.
Festering psychiatric problems came to a head with a newly commissioned commanding officer that didn't have any concept of respectful interaction.
the officer issued an insult about the guys wife. He snapped, jumped over the desk and broke the officers jaw.
apparently the officer got the message and did a little reflection.
It worked out to a medical discharge
 
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