Question on Basic Training....

The big mouth's story is pure BS. The draft ended 7-1-1973, just 49 years ago, that would make him an enlistee if he is only in his 30's at most! Why would someone who had just volunteered act in such a stupid fashion? Even more, why would he tell such a ridiculous story?


Why didn't any of you who have been in the Services notice this or at least mention it if you did?



I enlisted in the Army 9-17-1973, just 33 days after the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, because I wanted an enlistment commitment for a school and not be drafted. I fully expected to be sent to RVN at the end of Basic and A.I.T. I spent 13 months in Korea supporting 7th Division Artillery just 6 miles south of the DMZ, and the rest of my enlistment in CONUS at Fort Douglas, Utah, and APG, MD.
 
Greyman50,

In the case of the "simple" soldier, that
platoon sergeant proved he was a
truly simple neanderthal who deserved
to be busted for his stupidity.

+1 Never wanted to be part of any blanket party, I hate mob rule. I even get choked up in the blanket party scene in “Full Metal Jacket” (& when Cowboy got killed by the sniper, I really liked him).

BCT at Leonard Wood (Jan-Mar 1973). All our Drill Sergeants were Vietnam vets. I never even knew anyone stupid enough to smart off to one of those guys and I don’t believe the version of events that was told to the OP.
 
Basic @ Fort Jackson 1961. Mostly Korean War vets for platoon sgts.( they hadn't gone back to calling them D.I.'s yet.) Mostly kind of laid back,but could be rough if they wanted to. Saw the 1st sgt. lift a kid off his feet by his shirt front. Even had a few old WW2 veterans around. These guys had stuff like instructors in classes.
 
I know it’s a different world now. I think the story is just that a story.
I went to Navy boot camp in San Diego in 1964. That would not of happened. The recruits were pretty awestruck by the whole thing. No body would of put up with that.
 
Perhaps it's well to also see the
training regimen from the
drill sergeants' points of view.


According to an 2018 Army study,
only one-third of instructors volunteer
for the job; the rest are just assigned
to it.

Some 75 percent function during long
hours with only 5 hours or less sleep.
Some 27 percent definitely suffer from
insomnia.

Around 42 percent admitted to falling
asleep while driving.

And 48 percent reported suffering from
burnout.

While 32 percent exhibited off-duty
aggression.

And 25 percent admitted to low morale.

The 2018 study involved 850 instructors,
roughly half of all instructors at the time. Since
then the Army was supposed to attempt to
increase the number of instructors to ease
the load.
 
We had a guy in my basic platoon (1981) that said he was only there to avoid jail. Well after our first pass something happened and he was gone for a few days. When he returned he said " I assaulted a Drill Sgt" his face was black and blue and he moved real slow, funny none of the Drill Sgts had a mark on them. He stayed around until the end of basic then he was gone
 
IIRC the "yellow footprints" are at Parris Island, never heard of them in the other services. Those of us who have served have heard all the "stories" trying to pin them down to time. place, names, etc...good luck.
All the stories about brutality in Basic Training , the most common form of brutality is the DI following the fat recruit down the chow line-"no bread or potatoes, no desserts..." Veterans of Fort Jackson in the 1980s told me there was a Fat Boys Company-restricted diet and extra PT.
The Marine Corps had the Ribbon Creek Incident in 1956, in the year before i started BCT at Fort Dix in June 1967 there were a couple of recruit deaths, that makes for bad publicity.
 
I’m just spitballing here, but you enlisted after the draft ended, so you wouldn’t be drafted? Sounds like a line from Stripes. Just making sure the timeline is correct . . .

The big mouth's story is pure BS. The draft ended 7-1-1973, just 49 years ago, that would make him an enlistee if he is only in his 30's at most! Why would someone who had just volunteered act in such a stupid fashion? Even more, why would he tell such a ridiculous story?


Why didn't any of you who have been in the Services notice this or at least mention it if you did?



I enlisted in the Army 9-17-1973, just 33 days after the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, because I wanted an enlistment commitment for a school and not be drafted. I fully expected to be sent to RVN at the end of Basic and A.I.T. I spent 13 months in Korea supporting 7th Division Artillery just 6 miles south of the DMZ, and the rest of my enlistment in CONUS at Fort Douglas, Utah, and APG, MD.
 
My D.I. in August of 1969 was an E-6 from Puerto Rico who was also the bayonet, hand combat instructor. NOBODY ever truly back talked him, I was the class clown but was only beat by one guy in the company with pugil sticks, I loved pugil sticks. I was goofing around with my buddy (we went in on the buddy system) during bayonet instruction. It was the classic parry thrust routine and my buddy and I were limp wristing it, goofing off. My D.I. called us to attention, came over, grabbed by buddies M14, took the sheath off the blade, threw it on the ground. He said "Forward Thrust Parry and Hold...Huuaah! He did not hold back he went right for me, I parried the bayonet and siezed his weapon." He looked me in the eye and said "Works don't it...I catch you two goofing around again you'll be stacking rocks til the sun comes up." I enjoyed boot camp, it couldn't get tough enough, I loved it when the California surfer dudes were crying in the rain because it was so collllldddd.
I got out of the Army in April of '73 after taking a short due to some trouble I got into, so I had technically reenlisted once. They thought they had me...I did not get an early out like just about every other enlistee in that era because the volunteers were coming on, many of them were lifers from the get go.
I left mainly due to the pluralistic ignorance mentioned above, someone without my knowledge telling me how to do my job. I had respect for a few above me in rank, nearly every Warrant Officer I met had his Sierra together, I worked for two CW-3s and thought about pursuing that angle as a career but the incompetence at the top irritated me too much.
I only saw one incident where a private assaulted a non com and got away with it. The non com had a habit of tossing guys out of the bunk if they were just a wee bit too slow hitting the deck when he turned on the lights. This was post boot camp where I was training to operate landing craft and tugboats, there were also guys training to maintain them in the same barracks. This non com came in one day, flipped the lights on with his typical "Alright ladies, Lets go." He left the room, we all knew the drill and were up getting ready for chow. One guy, down from me remained in his bunk...a minute or two passed the non com came back in and from the off side of the aisle flipped this guys mattress and him onto the floor, then walked around to toss the mattress off him. The guy on the floor got to his feet and brought a fist with him, laying the non com out cold as a wedge.
Of course there was a ruckus, the guy was removed from that training schedule, the non com was removed as well. We heard through the rumor mill that the guy got off because he wasn't responsible for what he did that soon after sleeping, he got a walk on that incident and was put into another schedule behind us.
 
Come to think of it, I did put a hurt on a Drill Sgt, and got away with it.

We were bivouacked at Ft. Dix in shelter halves. We had been told that there would be heck to pay if we lost control of our rifle. The humidity was high, and I knew that if I put my M16 in my sleeping bag, like many of the guys did, that I would be dealing with rust, another no-no.

I decided to pop the sling off of the butt, and use it to secure to my arm, outside the sleeping bag. Late at night or early morning, I felt a tug on my rifle. I grabbed it by the barrel, and gave a good butt stroke. I felt the contact, heard a couple of curse words, and then silence. After a bit I drifted back to sleep.

Next morning, one of our instructors had a black eye. In the dark, he couldn't be sure which of us recruits had popped him. Hopefully the statute of limitations is up after more than 40 years.
 
Ft. Knox and Ft. Polk in 71’. I never saw anyone even talk trash to an instructor let alone try to lay a hand on one.
Never even heard about it happening.
We may have talked trash about them WELL out of earshot but that was it.
 
The cruelest thing our TI did to us was not letting us smoke until we started to act something resembling a unit.

Seven days!

When he said "smoke 'em if ya got 'em" we bolted to our footlockers and scampered out to the designated smoking area between barracks buildings (two trees with red butt cans) and hot boxed until we got light headed and then greenish around the gills. A bunch of queasy pings were we.
 
Couple of stories, basic training at Fort Lewis, Washington, January-March of 1969.

Our platoon had the classic sad sack, a skinny 18 year old kid from back in the hollows. Never been to a dentist among other hygienic failures. About the 5th week, his bunk mate started complaining about offensive body odors. The DI checked. We had all been issued six pair of white boxer shorts and had free laundry every week. This kid had one really bad pair of shorts and five pair still in the package.

I was held over between cycles. When they discovered I could type, I drew extra duty including typing up the food requisition for the mess hall. I was hungry all the way through basic, just figured all that exercise and fresh air.

So I type up a requisition for two pork chops per person for the next evening meal. I'm looking forward to that but come dinner, everyone is getting one pork chop. After chow, I'm doing the paperwork for the next day and spot the mess sergeant taking cartons of pork chops out to his car.

This insight into how the Army functioned came in handy months later when I ended up a company clerk. Whoever said an Army moves on it stomach was a cook. Clerks know it moves on paperwork. Access to that paperwork presents a plethora of opportunity to work within the system.

Just my opinion, but the story in the OP doesn't ring true based on my experience.
 
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Inusuit,

All sorts of shenanigans used to
occur back in the day. Can't speak
for today.

But back then, surplus ammo being
sold to hock shops in the nearby
city as well as small arms parts,
bookie operations using the
expertise of the Signal Corps
and of course drug smuggling.
 
Relative newcomer compared to others as I went through BMTS at Lackland AFB in 1980. Never heard of anyone verbally confronting a TI, let alone laying a hand on one. Wannabee story.
 
Couple of stories, basic training at Fort Lewis, Washington, January-March of 1969.

... I was held over between cycles. When they discovered I could type, I drew extra duty including typing up the food requisition for the mess hall. I was hungry all the way through basic, just figured all that exercise and fresh air.

So I type up a requisition for two pork chops per person for the next evening meal. I'm looking forward to that but come dinner, everyone is getting one pork chop. After chow, I'm doing the paperwork for the next day and spot the mess sergeant taking cartons of pork chops out to his car...

Too bad you didn’t call CID. That jerk deserved some hard time in Leavenworth.
 
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As I often say when someone says that they were in the Air force: "I'm sorry, I was in the service." :D

I can’t say that. The best I was ever treated in the Army was by the Air Force. Back in ‘75 I had convoy duty at Eglin AFB. Between convoys the Firefighters let us relax at their Fire Station and the Security Police allowed us (MP’s) to use their showers to clean up. In 42 years of LE (Military, State, & Municipal) service I’ve never been treated as well as I was by those guys.
 

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