As I said, in my state, the laws are set to come back in our direction. For the record, I work with police and a sample size of two isn't enough to generalize to the rest of the world. Basic statistics.
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As I said, in my state, the laws are set to come back in our direction. For the record, I work with police and a sample size of two isn't enough to generalize to the rest of the world. Basic statistics.
Whatever State you live in, it's wise to know something about your rights and laws for self-defense.
If I'm in a life or death gun fight, the last thing I'm going to be thinking is "what distance can I legally shoot this person who is using deadly force against me."
Key Points of Arizona's Self-Defense Law:
• Reasonable Belief: You must have a reasonable belief that deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent harm or death.
• Legal Presence: You must be in a place where you have a right to be.
• No Duty to Retreat: You are not required to retreat before using deadly force.
• No Provocation: You cannot use force in self-defense if you provoked the situation unless you attempted to retreat.
• Verbal Provocation: Verbal provocation alone is not enough to justify the use of force.
• Castle Doctrine: Arizona has a "Castle Doctrine", meaning you are not required to retreat from your home.
• No Illegal Activity: You cannot use self-defense if you are actively involved in illegal activity.
• Proportional Force: The force used must be proportional to the threat.
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It is obvious from S&W's use of the wide rear sight that it never contemplated the gun being more than a short range defensive pistol. But, intended purpose is in the eyes of the person using it, not the company marketing it. The fact that so many people are posting videos of long range shooting shows what a remarkable tool this little gun can be. I am having a really fun time seeing what I can do with this gun, especially after adding the XS sights. I have been shooting it a lot and want to shoot it more! It is so much less punishing than shooting a mini-9mm. I even bought some C zone steel for distance shooting.
I won't carry any gun that won't just about keep up with a duty gun on a qualification-type course of fire in use here out to 25 yards using the flat base magazine. I would just carry a bigger gun. But, being able to do it with a tiny pistol that weighs 14 ounces loaded and easily fits in a jeans pocket is a game changer for me. Loaded with 68 grain XD ammo, it is barrier blind. Follow-up shots at distance can be slower because of the sight radius, but I keep working with a timer. Shooting at distance also makes it much easier to do fast triples in the A/Down Zero zone at the 4 and 7 yard lines.
I'd rather have the ability to hit at distance and not need it than to need it and not have it. Channelized aisles in my Walmart have to be 25+ yards long. Main aisles are longer. Corridors in the local mall are very long. Eli Dicken was mentioned earlier. Parks around here are wide open spaces with not many places to hide and could require long sprints to safety.
There's no penalty for being over-prepared but there could be for being under-prepared.
Stay safe!
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I live in Michigan and we have the same laws as above.
Excellent commentary.
I appreciate your experimenting and sharing what you learn.
I agree that being confident with your RAT (Reliable And Trustworthy) defense carry is as important as any other aspect.
I'm curious if the XD 68 gr ammo has less recoil/muzzle flip than the typical 90 and 99 grain 380 ammo.
There have been posts on that bullet design having feeding issues, so I have worked with other defense ammo, and have zero feed issues. I would like to try the XD 68 gr ammo.
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I really don't know if the recoil and muzzle flip is more or less than other ammo other than that it is different. The blast appears to be more, which can be deceiving at times. I do know that one time I was preparing to head home from the range and discovered that I had fired a magazine full of Underwood standard pressure 68 grain XD carry ammo without realizing it. I will have to pay more attention to recoil in the future.
So far, I probably have about 75 XD rounds through the gun, mostly Underwood and the rest handloads. My handloads clock 100 fps slower than the Underwood. The only issue I had was one hang up on the ramp with Underwood when I released the slide from slide lock using the slide stop lever when I had only loaded 2 rounds into the magazine for a limp wrist test.
Sometime in the next few weeks I will shoot my remaining 40 XD handloads and 40 or so factory Underwoods. If I have any problems, I will let you know.
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When you're trying to grab a sight picture, in a hellfire hurry, you don't want to be trying to remember which goal post you'll use.
Yes, the OEM sights are tough to move; took the sight pusher along to the Club, and moved the one guys sights to the right. The 'graunch' it made...the guy, who owned the gun, nearly (redacted). It didn't hurt anything, they all do that.
Moon
New to this forum, I just watched a you tube video By excess sights on changing out the rear sight? The gentle man used a hex key to loosen the rear sight before driving it off? I don't find a hex screw on mine ?
The factory sight does NOT have hex screw the replacement sight from XS does. You'll need a pusher or punch to remove the factory one (and a lot of force).
Update on sight adjustment….
After 3 adjustments (using a punch and a hammer) on the factory front sight, this is the result at 7 yards, first pistol to shoot at the range day Saturday. Nine (9) rounds from the 10-round mag with PMC Bronze 90gr FMJ. Obviously still shooting a little low.
The 2 flyers is me changing my trigger finger position.
Total rounds through BG2 is now 258 with zero failures.
After 3 adjustments (using a punch and a hammer) on the factory front sight, this is the result at 7 yards, first pistol to shoot at the range day Saturday. Nine (9) rounds from the 10-round mag with PMC Bronze 90gr FMJ. Obviously still shooting a little low.
The 2 flyers is me changing my trigger finger position.
Total rounds through BG2 is now 258 with zero failures.
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Hey Cphobes, some questions about your XS sights. Does the rear hang over the sides of the slide, or create issues with your draw?
Are the sights a tight fit in the dovetails?
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Moon
With the adjustment to the right on the rear sight it’s on the edge. And it doesn’t interfere with the draw.
I don’t think I could adjust it a bit more but I think at this point the windage is correct.
At some point, I’m likely going to get the cut for an optic if I can find a smaller (shorter) optic for it.
I suspect that the BG 2.0 has enough length for a Shield RMSc/Holosun K footprint if you give up the rear sight.
Width is likely to be an issue unless addressed with a beefed up rear of the slide from the factory (like a CZ Shadow 2 OR), a custom plate system that adds a fair bit of height, or something similar to the RDOMS optic cut that Fire 4 Effect designed to mount RMR footprint optics on slim slide CZ 75 pattern pistols.
The BG 2.0 slide is quoted at 0.75" wide, while the far sides of the RMSc/K screw holes are ~0.7" wide, and the fat sides of the posts are about 0.75" wide.
Something really outside of the box like a Deltapoint Micro might work, but I don't think it's been too well received, so Leupold probably isn't rushing to make any more models.
Monsoon tactical offers the cut and they add a plate for the width. So you’re correct. I think the holosun might be the best option with a 6 mos dot.
I quite like the green 6 MOA dot of the EPS Carry that I have on my Shield Plus. It looks very sharp and defined even with my astigmatism. I get a bit of blurring/haze at the bottom, but I literally get that with green traffic signals at night as well. Oddly, the dot is less sharp with my glasses on vs contact lenses.
I haven't seen the 6 MOA version of the 407K, but the EPS dot is more defined than the 2 MOA dot of my 507K. Optical clarity is also better with less distortion around the edges of the lens, though it's probably not a practical difference for me.
The newer SIG Romeo X Compact may be something to consider if you want an optic that's at least assembled in America. The full size Romeo X I got to try out also looked pretty good, with tint that was somewhere between an RMR and an EPS.
After 3 days of using a 3 moa training, I think I need to go to the 6 moa as I'm just not getting it. Certainly grip is a factor so I'll dry fire train and work on the grip etc and see. But on the smaller BG2.0 if I get it cut then I'll definitely go 6 moa since it's such a close up and personal gun.
I'm not a huge fan of the enclose emitters but I know they are great and have their place. Maybe I need to try that out.
Even though a lot of people are completely sold on enclosed emitters, I think open emitters are generally fine for concealed carry. With open/duty carry, enclosed starts making more sense due to environmental exposure.After 3 days of using a 3 moa training, I think I need to go to the 6 moa as I'm just not getting it. Certainly grip is a factor so I'll dry fire train and work on the grip etc and see. But on the smaller BG2.0 if I get it cut then I'll definitely go 6 moa since it's such a close up and personal gun.
I'm not a huge fan of the enclose emitters but I know they are great and have their place. Maybe I need to try that out.
One thing about my Shield Plus is that I find it more difficult to acquire the dot with the 10 round magazine. I really need to be conscious with my grip. The 13 round magazine makes this task easier. My M&P 2.0 Compact is easier still.
I can't say for sure if the 6 MOA dot makes this easier than the 2 MOA dot option of my 507K because the 507K is on a P365XL, and the Shield/M&P grip angle points more naturally for me.
Agree about the open/closed emitters and you're absolutely right about the grip and finding the dot. If there's on thing I learned this week in training is that grip is critical. I find the pinky extensions are necessary and even though I like the S&W ones which are a bit slimer than the Pearce grips, I think the Pearce are better. I plan to test that sooner than later. Gives just a bit more for proper grip.
Moa size is tough as well, 2 vs. 3 is almost indistinguishable. I think I'll try the 6 on one of my two Shield plus's and then I can compare since they have the same trigger upgrade etc.
I need to get around to looking at a smaller MOA EPS to see how the dots look. The 6 MOA EPS isn't functionally 3x as big as the 2 MOA dot or 1.8x as large as my 3.25 MOA RMR Type 2, because it has less distortion than those dots do for me.
Subject: BG2 shooting low left out of the box, and the amount of adjustment being made to rear and front sights to compensate.
I was watching YouTube review of a BG2. One of the guys said he suspects the short 2.75” barrel length and the 10:1 twist rate was the cause of the constant and common low/left POI. Meaning that the bullet is exiting the crown of the barrel having rotated a specific number of degrees from the chamber and there is some kind of gyroscopic instability.
This is an interesting observation that made me think.
I examined my BG2. It appears to have five (5) riflings. The twist rate is 1:10 right hand twist. To determine how many degrees the bullet will rotate before exiting the barrel, I did a calculation using the formula: degrees = (inches / (2 * pi * radius)) * 360, where 'pi' is approximately 3.14159.
2.75 = Barrel length Inches
2 times 3.141*0.178 = 1.115055
0.355 = diameter of bullet
0.178 = radius of the bullet
Times 360.
= 90.40 degrees
The bullet only rotates 90.40 degrees before existing the end of the barrel.
Apparently the centrifugal inertia of the spinning bullet will not be affected by gravity?
Is there a lack of sufficient gyroscopic stability due to only 90.40 degrees of spin on the bullet?
Right hand rifling typically causes the bullet to spin drift to the right.
Can left hand spin drift (the tendency of a bullet to drift horizontally as it travels downrange due to the spin imparted by the rifling in the barrel) be induced by the short number of degrees of bullet spin causing gyroscopic instability?
My Sig Sauer P365 Micro 9mm, 3.1” barrel length, has 6 riflings with a 1:10” RH twist rate.
It has a calculated 100.8 degrees of bullet rotation before existing at the end of the barrel. My POA/POI has been perfect with factory sights.
I was watching YouTube review of a BG2. One of the guys said he suspects the short 2.75” barrel length and the 10:1 twist rate was the cause of the constant and common low/left POI. Meaning that the bullet is exiting the crown of the barrel having rotated a specific number of degrees from the chamber and there is some kind of gyroscopic instability.
This is an interesting observation that made me think.
I examined my BG2. It appears to have five (5) riflings. The twist rate is 1:10 right hand twist. To determine how many degrees the bullet will rotate before exiting the barrel, I did a calculation using the formula: degrees = (inches / (2 * pi * radius)) * 360, where 'pi' is approximately 3.14159.
2.75 = Barrel length Inches
2 times 3.141*0.178 = 1.115055
0.355 = diameter of bullet
0.178 = radius of the bullet
Times 360.
= 90.40 degrees
The bullet only rotates 90.40 degrees before existing the end of the barrel.
Apparently the centrifugal inertia of the spinning bullet will not be affected by gravity?
Is there a lack of sufficient gyroscopic stability due to only 90.40 degrees of spin on the bullet?
Right hand rifling typically causes the bullet to spin drift to the right.
Can left hand spin drift (the tendency of a bullet to drift horizontally as it travels downrange due to the spin imparted by the rifling in the barrel) be induced by the short number of degrees of bullet spin causing gyroscopic instability?
My Sig Sauer P365 Micro 9mm, 3.1” barrel length, has 6 riflings with a 1:10” RH twist rate.
It has a calculated 100.8 degrees of bullet rotation before existing at the end of the barrel. My POA/POI has been perfect with factory sights.
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