Range Report & M&P 15-22 "Apples & Oranges Comparison" to my Dedicated .22lr setup

[pluke the 2]

while i'm not experienced with the .22lr i do have some other ar15s and rounds downfield.

here is 100 yard line with red dot and 6x magnifer .223 caliber standing up



the rifle

 

[pluke the 2]

100 yards bi pod setup



20" 223

 

[PANZER22]

To the OP. Toss the red dot as all they are good for is popping cans from zero to about 25 yards. Work at getting .5 to .75 at 25 yards. When you can hit .5 at 25 yards then start working out to 1 to 2 inches at 100 yards.

 

[sithlord]

To the OP. Toss the red dot as all they are good for is popping cans from zero to about 25 yards. Work at getting .5 to .75 at 25 yards. When you can hit .5 at 25 yards then start working out to 1 to 2 inches at 100 yards.

Speak for yourself. I shoot 7.5 ounce soda cans from about 100 yards with my 15-22, a 4MOA red/green dot while seated, elbow on table (thus, not quite bench shooting - no bench rest/bipod). Do I hit the can every time? No! But I hit it more often than I miss... I had to go to these cans because clays and bottles were too easy.

My method (since a 4MOA red dot would cover a soda can completely at 100yds) is that the dot isn't zero'd. Instead, I purposely have it off by 4MOA such that when the edge of the dot is touching the target, the target gets hit.

Unfortunately, no pictures to back it up.. handy..

Even if I had pictures, no way to "prove" it's 100 yards.

I'll mod this post once I have pictures... Stay tuned later in the week.

 

[Majorlk]

I don't disagree about the OP learning a lot but I thought a couple of the comments were unnecessarily harsh.

Well, gee, ain't that too bad.

 

[Majorlk]

I don't side with political correctness but I do prefer politeness when possible.

Well, I have been as polite as possible without gushing all over the place. I just love armchair quarterbacks who contribute nothing to a discussion but feel free to criticize those who do.

 

[Majorlk]

hey guys no hard feelings. i asked for help and i got it. i'll hit the range back up and hopefully i can correct the issues at hand. thanks again guys.




dont even think about sending your daughters or sons out to show me up either! then i'll be really sad!

I can arrange a match with my nine year old grandson, if you like.

Seriously no insults have been intended and thank you for not taking anything that way. I think if you quit messing with the sled and bullseye targets and enjoy shooting at cans, clay birds and such for a while, you and the 15-22 will get along just fine.

 

[Dirt Dart]

To the OP. Toss the red dot as all they are good for is popping cans from zero to about 25 yards.

Well, I was going to stay out of this thread; until I read this post.

With an EoTech XPS2 on my 15-22, a good bench rest, and sandbag stock stabilizer; I can routinely get 1.5" groups at 50 yards. On a good day, I can keep five shots within an inch. This is with Lapua Match or CCI Sub-Sonic.

With an EoTech and 3X magnifier on the AR I consider to be my SHTF rifle, I can easily get 1" groups at 100 yards with M855 all day long.

One of my favorite range pastimes is using the 15-22 with the EoTech to pop grapefruits at 100 yards. You can get some very interesting results on a grapefruit with CCI Segmented Sub-Sonic. Although I do need the magnifier on the rifle to see the fruit at that distance.

 

[Lorelei]

Well, I have been as polite as possible without gushing all over the place. I just love armchair quarterbacks who contribute nothing to a discussion but feel free to criticize those who do.

My contribution was to say that the rude comments weren't necessary to get a point across. Sorry you don't see it that way.

 

[Majorlk]

My contribution was to say that the rude comments weren't necessary to get a point across. Sorry you don't see it that way.

No I don't. The comment had nothing to do with the discussion, it was a busy-body comment. And you seem to be the only one who thought anything was rude. The OP didn't.

End of discussion before Phil has a hissy fit.

 

[Lorelei]

No I don't. The comment had nothing to do with the discussion, it was a busy-body comment. And you seem to be the only one who thought anything was rude. The OP didn't.

End of discussion before Phil has a hissy fit.

The OP was the first to say he was getting flamed, then my response was directed at him. that makes you the busy-body jumping on me when I was talking to the OP.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

With an EoTech and 3X magnifier on the AR I consider to be my SHTF rifle, I can easily get 1" groups at 100 yards with M855 all day long.

I have the same setup & get the same results. I have no desire to be a long range sniper... just defend my home. 100 yards is just fine for me. Eotech with flip up 3x magnifier is just perfect.

Sure hope these comments aren't considered rude by the PC police.

 

[Lorelei]

I have the same setup & get the same results. I have no desire to be a long range sniper... just defend my home. 100 yards is just fine for me. Eotech with flip up 3x magnifier is just perfect.

Sure hope these comments aren't considered rude by the PC police.

In a home defense situation are you confident you'd have time to turn the Eotech on or do you also have backup sights?

 

[RedNeck Jim]

In a home defense situation are you confident you'd have time to turn the Eotech on or do you also have backup sights?

Troy BUIS on the AR... Magpul on the 15-22.

If I need a gun quick, the AR would not be my 1st choice. I have loaded pistols locked away in 2 locations in the house. They have lasers for quick engagement.

 

[Lorelei]

That makes sense to me. I have a lasered handgun beside my bed and one without a laser elsewhere in the house.

 

[Lost Lake]

After seeing your other posted shots with your .223's, it's obvious Pluke can shoot!!!

As for the sled. Sand is not a big deal. A blanket is not a big deal. Repeatability IS a big deal. Sure concrete makes repeatability easier, but I can assure you many 800 yard and further shots are successfully made off dirt, sand and blankets.

As long as you hold the gun the same way every time, and put your scope on the same spot every time, your groups will tighten up.

The only thing I see that bothers me is that recoil strap over the top of your hand guard. The 15/22 doesn't have a free floating barrel and by strapping down that hand guard to the sled you are influencing the bullet's trajectory.

Welcome aboard Pluke and please post an update on the gun when you get it figured out!!!

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[pluke the 2]

Alright. So i'm going back at it this weekend. I noticed that my scope mount is backwards. Anyone know if this is a negative? As far as I know it's just not good for the eye relief which wasn't an issue for me last time.

 

[TacoDaTugBoat]

Alright. So i'm going back at it this weekend. I noticed that my scope mount is backwards. Anyone know if this is a negative? As far as I know it's just not good for the eye relief which wasn't an issue for me last time.

My understanding is that it is intended for scopes with longer eye relief that hang over the front rail. It keeps the mount on the upper only and off the front rail. If you wanted to move it any further forward you would probably want to spin the mount around.

 

[Zax]

I noticed that my scope mount is backwards. Anyone know if this is a negative?

No, that shouldn't make a difference to accuracy.

 

[Zax]

If you wanted to move it any further forward you would probably want to spin the mount around.

I have mine on a long QD mount, it bridges the upper and quad rail. It actually seems to help make everything more rigid and improves accuracy, which is also unaffected using a bi-pod.