Rastoff's Challenge III - Different Positions

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I wanted to add to the challenge, but keep it simple. I needed to come up with an idea that didn't involve a timer or drawing from a holster. This makes it acceptable to shoot on any range.

Further, I needed a target that can be used at any range. So I made my own. It shouldn't surprise anyone because it's made from the example I made for the first challenge. This time I included instructions on the target. It is attached for you to download and print. You may use any target though.


Now for the embarrassing part; my target:
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I shot this in keeping with the spirit, I used my regular 1911 carry gun. The shots you see above were the first I took this day. It's not pretty, but there it is in all its glory. The shot in the red circle is unacceptable to me. It shows that I need more practice. There are actually two holes where the red arrow is pointing.

The Rules (more like guidelines really;) ):
All shots taken from the ready.
4 strings of 5 shots each.
5 shots in each bull.
Each string is fired from the specific position and in this order:
  1. 5 shots from shooting side barricade - 7 yards
  2. 5 shots kneeling - 7 yards
  3. 5 shots support hand only - 5 yards
  4. 5 shots support hand only - 7 yards

Why these positions?
In a defensive situation you'll never know what the environment will be. You might have a barricade to use as cover. I strongly suggest that you use that barricade as a support if you can. (I could not because my "barricade" is just a flimsy target stand.)

You might have been sitting or on the ground and need to shoot before you can stand.

The support hand is largely overlooked. Most of those I encounter have never even thought of using their support hand. What if your shooting hand is injured? You should at least have some familiarity with your support hand. Further, the only reason the support hand will be used is if your shooting hand is injured. So, practicing with support hand only is a good thing because if your shooting hand is injured, you probably won't be able to use it for support.

About the positions:
When doing the barricade, keep your shooting foot behind the barricade. Stepping out from behind cover is not only dangerous (the bad guy can shoot you), but not in the spirit of the challenge. You don't need full cover for this string. A simple 2x4 or lane divider will suffice. The object is just to have something to shoot around.
In the vid I demonstrate how I do the kneeling position. Meh, I don't care how you do it. The idea is to get down to ground level. If you have to sit, do that. If you require help to get down there, put your gun down first.
Support hand only must be shot one handed. Remember, I'm a lefty so, I'm not cheating in the vid. Put your shooting hand somewhere; on your chest, in your pocket or hooked in your belt. The idea is to keep it out of the way in such a manner that it is held in place. If you have never shot with your support hand only, please take a few practice shots first.

Here's a quick vid on the positions:


Now get out there and get shooting! As you can see from my target, I'm not that great from these positions. I expect to see a lot of targets that are better than mine.
 

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Alright! Was wondering when the 3rd challenge was going to be posted. I will try it this weekend.

I might need a bigger target too. :D
 
whats the approximate size of the targets? Printing requires turning on my laptop, my printer, loading the paper tray..... It's easier to just make one by hand or with pre-existing targets...
 
For we revolver guys, are shots to be double action? Can we make the shots in single action, like the semi-automatic pistol shooters will be doing?
 
I'll have to let this one go. my knees are such that if I am able to get down in the kneeling position, it would take a derrick to get me up again.

Might have to shoot the kneeling from offhand.
 
For we revolver guys, are shots to be double action? Can we make the shots in single action, like the semi-automatic pistol shooters will be doing?
The playing feild is leveled by the concept. It is intended to be shot with a gun you'd use for self-defense. Therefore...

Single Action(SA) guns, i.e. 1911 or M&P, will be shot single action. If they have a thumb safety, the safety must be engaged when at the ready and only removed when pointed in.

Double Action/Single Action(DA/SA), guns must take the first shot of each string DA and the other 4 SA.

Revolvers must take every shot DA. This is how the gun will be used on the street. So, for this exercise, it only makes sense to do it this way.
 
I'll have to let this one go. my knees are such that if I am able to get down in the kneeling position, it would take a derrick to get me up again.

Might have to shoot the kneeling from offhand.
Sit in a chair. The idea is to change levels. If you're at a restaurant and the bad guy has a gun pointed at your loved ones head, wouldn't it be nice to know you can shoot without having to stand up?
 
By eyeblling the porportions, the black zone is about 1in, so you field expedient guys can try a 4x6 index card.
 
I played. Sig P938, my ECD.

Full disclosure... I cheated a little.

I wasn't shooting cold, I had put a few rounds down range prior.

Also, my support hand shots took about 50% longer to shoot than my right.

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Oh, and I do these particular positions frequently, and at 7 - 10 yards, so I'm accustomed to it as well.

My left hand shots are a bit crazy, but always are. The flyer on each left hand shot target was the first shot at each target.
 
Offhand (no pun intended), I don't have a single range locally that will allow sitting or kneeling. Barricade, maybe, at some of the indoor ranges, if nobody else is around, because you could use the lane separation wall.

Doggone it...........I got enter one of these, I like them!
 
I played. Sig P938, my ECD.

Full disclosure... I cheated a little.

I wasn't shooting cold, I had put a few rounds down range prior.

Also, my support hand shots took about 50% longer to shoot than my right.

image_zpsl3wkiszj.jpg


Oh, and I do these particular positions frequently, and at 7 - 10 yards, so I'm accustomed to it as well.

My left hand shots are a bit crazy, but always are. The flyer on each left hand shot target was the first shot at each target.

It is easier to shoot when you have a small aiming point in the center of the orange as it will tighten up your groups. Don
 
This challenge was harder then I thought it was going to be. Started off cold using my Gold Cup NM. Yes I do carry it. I had to simulate the shooting around the barrier and I had to stay in my lane at the indoor range. Well forgot that I and adjusted the sights for a BE challenge set for a 6 o'clock hold. Nice group in the black at 6 o'clock. Now i didn't think kneeling would be hard but I managed to get the old body down and could just shoot over the bench and held at 12 o'clock. i think I put shots in all 4 targets. Now I knew support hand wasn't going to be good and it wasn't. I put up a new target. BTW they print out nice. I swapped ammo in my EDC, Shield 40, and started over. All went well till the support hand and I am not sure where those rounds went. That dang 40 shield was really torquing the wrist and trying to jump out of my hand. Must say it is a good challenge. Don
 
Also, my support hand shots took about 50% longer to shoot than my right.
Very nice shooting and certainly better than mine. Yes, I expect the support hand to take a little longer.

The pic with my post in the background is a nice touch. :D


Magload said:
This challenge was harder then I thought it was going to be.
This is a common comment and very welcome. I want the challenge to be challenging, but not so much that no one will try it.

Magload said:
Must say it is a good challenge. Don
Thanks Don, I'm glad you joined us.
 
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