Responsibility regarding concealed carry

[Kanewpadle]

Ignore? No.

Become directly involved with strangers?

Like clearing mines by tap dancing.

911 isthere for a reason.

Being an ex cop, I'm sure he knows what he is doing.

Those that don't have the experience need to learn and it has been said here many times, think first.

If a woman, child, or elderly person is involved I would cautiously intervene. But the truth of matter is that you must act quickly and you must think on the run. No matter how much you think and evaluate, the situation can always turn south.

It's a moral decision. Walk away and hear the screams for the rest of your life, or do something about it. And the minute you decide to do something about it, you're taking a chance.

 

[feralmerril]

Yeah, we got 911 for that. Police will arrive just before rigor mortis i sets in.

 

[cmort666]

If a woman, child, or elderly person is involved I would cautiously intervene.

Calling 911 is intervening.

Being armed means that I don't have to worry about the participants knowing I'm calling, and or taking pictures.

I'm not getting involved in any domestic violence situations. I've seen FAR too many women who exhibit self-destructive behaviors which escalate into negative consequences for unwary third parties.

I once had an upstairs neighbor who beat his wife/girlfriend. I just kept calling the cops until he physically attacked THEM, at which point her wishes were irrelevant.

As I said, I'm not going to let a stupid or irrational person destroy MY life along with hers. When it all goes down the toilet, I know I'll be all alone with not even "moral" support, much less help with legal fees or physical assistance.

Knowing that you "did the right thing" is cold comfort when you're destitute, in jail... or bleeding out.

 

[michaelpthompso]

A man beating a woman is something I could never ignore.

There are reasons why police dread domestic violence calls more than almost any other. Several have been mentioned here. If you were a cop, then you know that already. As a civilian with no duty to interfere, I would think long and hard before intervening in any situation like that. Chivalry is one thing, putting myself in a position where either the many or the woman could take me out is quite another. Consider that very carefully.


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[feralmerril]

Some years ago I was walking through a casino parking lot. A man was beating on a woman, no doubt his wife. A parking attendent seen it too and he got to the guy a couple secounds before me. The woman begged us not to call the police and she was marked up! The guy told us, "I give!"
Another time there was a guy at work I had to deal with a few times as a guard, he was a problem in the factory. I was off duty riding my harley downtown and seen him tusseling with a woman. I got off my bike and both stopped and told me not to interfear, things are cool. Okay, a year or two later he murdered a woman!
Another time I had a similar but funny incident. This tie I was riding my harly with my GF behind me. We saw a couple, male - female fighting over her purse and she was crying. I pulled over, got off and walked up. He yelled to me it was his wife. Iasked her if she had someplace to go and se sad her mom lived about a mile away. She looked "hot". I think had she ben ugly I still would have done what I did but it was stll stupid. Yup, I left my GF stand there, the girl got on my harley behind me sidesaddle as she was wearing a tight skirt, and I drove her down to her moms apartment. Went back to pick up my po`ed GF. She was mad!

 

[millisec]

Always a tough call but if you end up in a situation you really have to make a calculated and educated decision on the fly which, in any case, likely will have unintended legal and financial consequences. Depending on where you live and the laws it gets even more convoluted. Know your laws and carry some sort of carry insurance along with that gun. The only answer I can give for certain is that in any case I will protect myself and my family and that anything else is secondary and case by case.

Something someone touched on adds in another complicated twist... Good Samaritan laws. I believe here in FL. they are pretty limited and cover only "professionals" working for "emergency" agencies during time of emergency. Where the real twist comes in is states like NC which have a required Good Samaritan law. Been a while since I lived there but as I recall you are required to be a Good Samaritan under penalty of prosecution with a guaranteed waiver of liability. So I have to wonder, if you're legally carrying, does that involve being required by law to come to someone's aid and use deadly force as necessary? There again the answer is probably state by state.

 

[Steve Dunnington]

One of my mantras is 'Seek to do good whenever the opportunity presents itself.' It's good we're having this discussion, because you need to decide beforehand how you will act. I will always use my weapons for the benefit of others.

 

[cmort666]

I will always use my weapons for [what I THINK is] the benefit of others.

There, fixed that for you.

If you're not a direct party, you may NOT know what "benefits" others.

• Active shooter engaged in shooting obviously innocent people? I'll dial 911 and use cover and concealment to maneuver for a shot, and keep shooting until the threat is neutralized.
• Unarmed person being KILLED with a weapon? Dial 911 and possibly order the armed person to drop the weapon.
• Domestic violence? Dial 911. I trust women in those situations as far as I can throw Rosie O'Donnell and a boxcar full of bags of hammers. I've seen FAR too many women who voluntarily stay in such situations, voluntarily return to such situations or talk incessantly about returning to such situations. The self-destructive impulses of strangers do not create in me a sense of urgency, much less a compulsion to intervene.

 

[raymo2u]

if its not my family or i they dont get the chance to sue me they get 911 but if it is my family or I, ill take the risk.

 

[shouldazagged]

He yelled to me it was his wife. Iasked her if she had someplace to go and se sad her mom lived about a mile away. She looked "hot". I think had she ben ugly I still would have done what I did but it was stll stupid. Yup, I left my GF stand there, the girl got on my harley behind me sidesaddle as she was wearing a tight skirt, and I drove her down to her moms apartment. Went back to pick up my po`ed GF. She was mad!

So you left your girlfriend standing with the woman's extremely angry husband? I can certainly understand why she was steamed, quite aside from the fact that a "hot" female took her place on the bike.

 

[feralmerril]

Naw. Old marg could handle herself. She had been a movie stunt woman. Once she had some kind of internal pain, I called the para medics, they got there and I left for work. Later I got a call at work to come bail her out of jail. The nurse had poked her in her sore spot and she decked the nurse! Actualy it was a busy neighborhood and she started off walking away from the scene as I started out. I dont claim to being right.
She was a good sport. Once her and I and my best friend and his wife were riding harleys together. We stopped at a a&w drive in. The lady came up and wanted us to park in the back of the lot. I had a temper back then, kicked the bike to life and said come on bill, they dont like bikers here. I took off, got on the freeway for a mile or two, bill pulled alonside and told me, ya better go back and get ol marg!

 

[sac-gunslinger]

Man, this thread has drifted farther than the Kon Tiki.

Speaking of the Kon Tiki, do you think the continent will drift further to the left?

 

[FTSmith]

I carry to protect myself and my family. Right or wrong I feel no duty to protect or intervene in others' problems.

Should I ever need to present my CCW it would be in defense of myself and/or family in an effort to extract us from a situation where there is an armed threat between us and the exit.