Rethinking your carry choice in light of the riots.

[biku324]

Deja vu. Like there were 'obviously' commies behind the social unrest of the 60s. It seems so hard for many folks to admit there are folks with legitimate grievances because things are great for most others.

Democracy is indeed messy.

 

[kbm6893]

This is all very simple. The Constitution allows for peaceful protest. Peaceful. Literally uses the word peaceful in the document.

It doesn't allow for burning and looting. It doesn't allow for violating of curfew and blocking traffic. The first brick thrown should have been the last brick thrown. Government is fully responsible for this. If a republican governor or mayor was allowing this I would blame them just as much.

These criminals always existed. Granted, their membership is growing because people see there are no consequences for the lawlessness. Honestly, if I was an unemployed loser like most of these people are, or a felon with no employment prospects, I'd probably be right there with them. Look at the backgrounds of these lowlifes. Huber was referred to as a Skateboarder! By the time I was his age I was 5 years out of college and into my career. Do any of these losers have anything going on? I don't think there's some coordinated movement going on. I think it's a lot of unemployed losers and just plain angry people with nothing but time on their hands who have been given the green light to do what they're doing.

And biku, thank you for your service. Not a lot of cops put in 41 years. You must be very proud. But to sit here and say you'll put your faith in the courts is laughable. You post a criminal complaint and say if the other guy was armed it would have been in there. It wasn't. That other guy committed a felony and he wasn't charged. He never will be. And if by some miracle he is, the sentence will be extremely lenient. If his is on probation or parole his PO will not violate him and send him back. Even if he wanted to, those above him will forbid it. The evidence is incontrovertible but you won't accept it.

Funny how these anti-gunner's aren't screaming for him to be charged. They surely can't shut up about Rittenhouse either bringing a gun across state lines, or being in simple possession of it if it was given. Notice how his misdemeanor possession of a firearm is in the complaint. They're mighty silent about a Felon in possession of a gun. Wonder why?

Cases proceed or not proceed based on a lot of things. One of them is the political climate and potential for fallout.

 

[Steve912]

Nonsense about felony conviction by public acclamation is a waste of keystrokes.

LOL...you've been out of the country for wayyyyyyyy too long.

 

[ladder13]

Still waiting for one sentence, just one, of empathy for the victims here, the people of America.

Just cause things are hard for you is no reason to injure( a crime) and destroy other's property(a crime). How simple can one make this?

Things are wonderful for Gates and Bezos, should I stand ifo their houses and demand to have what they have?

Take you grievance to the courts and to your representatives in gov't. Give the system a chance to right things, daily riots without a break is not the way, imho.

MLK Jr protested during the day, not in the cover of darkness.

 

[Ziggy2525]

Deja vu. Like there were 'obviously' commies behind the social unrest of the 60s. It seems so hard for many folks to admit there are folks with legitimate grievances because things are great for most others.

Democracy is indeed messy.

So riot leaders that have been arrested and released without bail (multiple times) in Portland are now being arrested leading riots in Kenosha and DC. And the guy (you) that refuses to admit the felon with a pistol in the Kenosha shootings actually has a pistol, even when your shown photos, now want to play the "1960's Deja vu" card. Kinda sad.

 

[Ziggy2525]

LOL...you've been out of the country for wayyyyyyyy too long.

Pretty sure I remember biku324 posting in some thread here he not only worked in Bosnia now, and was it Iraq before that, but he either worked for the State Department or was as a State Department contractor.

If he's training foreign police forces for the USG, that "turn a blind eye" mentality seems a bit concerning.

 

[wheelgun28]

Amazing thread!

It really proves one of my theories.

In that a portion of our citizens only believe what the MSM or Newspaper tells them, to look outside and see someting different is not allowed. They don't believe what their eyes see. No second-guessing, no free thought it is what they are told, OMB, Russia!, police bad on and on.

Just as Orwell said our leaders will convince you that 2+2=5, yes Rachel, your so right and so smart too!

If the news says no rain today, but just outside the front door is a storm they wont wear a raincoat. Then argue that they are not wet from rain as its not raining, while they drip water on the ground.

I find it so sad...

What gives me a cold chill in my spine is how will this chapter end?

 

[ladder13]

If this is what a "greater America" looks like, no thank you. To those condoning murder on American streets thinking this is good for the 2nd amendment , God help us.

Who said any such thing?

 

[SMITHTEX45ACP]

How can you get more reliable with capacity than a Hi Power ??

While I love my Hi Power and it's reliability, I wanted a little more punch so I'm carrying my XDM in 10mm with an extra mag.

 

[fredj338]

The last guy shot had a gun in his hand. Many videos clearly showing it. He was also a felon and prohibited from possessing a gun. He attempted to get rid of the gun after the shooting. He survived. So let's see if the DA charges his felon in possession of a firearm with yet another felony. Wanna bet he's not charged?

I'm sure this Rittenhouse kid wishes he never went to that car dealership. But the fact remains the people he shot assaulted him, the last two as he was attempting to leave the area. The people he shot weren't peaceful protesters, they were there to cause damage and mayhem. Two of the three shot had violent felony records.

So we are back to the zimmerman affect. Its hard to call it self defense when you promote the attack. That kid tired of playng call of duty & took it to the street. If you honestly believe he was there, walking down the middle of the street with a long, to protect a car dealership that wasnt his, I have a bridge to sell you.
So yes, he was attacked, but dont be there carrying a long gun & force a shooting.

 

[biku324]

Pretty sure I remember biku324 posting in some thread here he not only worked in Bosnia now, and was it Iraq before that, but he either worked for the State Department or was as a State Department contractor.

If he's training foreign police forces for the USG, that "turn a blind eye" mentality seems a bit concerning.

Ah, investigation by the folks with jurisdiction and follow-up by the appropriate court is 'turning a blind eye.'

Seems blindness is getting more common these days.

 

[Protected One]

Back to the original topic....

I'm carrying one additional magazine now. Nothing more.

 

[Protected One]

I'm on the same sine wave as always - capacity vs reliability. I've been in a capacity phase and carrying my Hi Power or 1911, but I feel myself slipping toward reliability and foresee my 3" M629 logging some belt time in the near future.

You don't consider your Hi Power and 1911 reliable???

 

[kmyers]

Back to the original topic....

I'm carrying one additional magazine now. Nothing more.

That is the only change here, additional magazines. I also bought more magazines for the main favorite pistols that we both prefer and carry or shoot the most: H&K USP in .40 and .45, FNH FNX9, S&W MP40, Walther PPQ and H&K VP9.

 

[pennzy]

Who said any such thing?

Read back in the thread. Hero was one name I heard. Look, lock up criminals and that includes on both sides. Riots are only hurting their cause. Vigilantism isn't helping either. Let law enforcement do their jobs and when it gets bad call in the guard. The cable entertainment stations should do whats best for the nation and shut up. If anyone doesn't think there are agendas on all of them they are fooling themselves.

 

[fredj338]

Read back in the thread. Hero was one name I heard. Look, lock up criminals and that includes on both sides. Riots are only hurting their cause. Vigilantism isn't helping either. Let law enforcement do their jobs and when it gets bad call in the guard. The cable entertainment stations should do whats best for the nation and shut up. If anyone doesn't think there are agendas on all of them they are fooling themselves.

Yet the cops & local govt arent doing their jobs. It isnt vigilantyism to protect yourself & your property. It is when you take your ar into the streets & basically dare someone to attack you. People need to come to the understanding that cops really arent going to save you or your property, its up to each of is. Again, that is not vigilantyism, just our basic right.

 

[kbm6893]

So we are back to the zimmerman affect. Its hard to call it self defense when you promote the attack. That kid tired of playng call of duty & took it to the street. If you honestly believe he was there, walking down the middle of the street with a long, to protect a car dealership that wasnt his, I have a bridge to sell you.
So yes, he was attacked, but dont be there carrying a long gun & force a shooting.

Not even close. The video shows grown men chasing and attempting to assault at the very least, this kid. A witness says he attempted to take his weapon. He got shot for that attempt.

Carrying the long gun forced the shooting? Do a little more research. There is video on the web of the preamble to the shooting. Why were they mad at him? Because they had set a dumpster on fire and were in the process of wheeling it into the street. It was put out with a fire extinguisher. Kid was there. Crowd cursed him and the chase was on. The rest has been widely shown.

So it wasn't the long gun. Or why didn't the others with guns get attacked? It was him putting out the fire. They were mad. You hear them scream F You at him and chase him. The long gun didn't start it. It prevented him from getting his head beaten in by that recidivist felon lowlife. And for what? For putting out a dumpster fire

Other two guys shot assaulted the kid who was fleeing the scene. One of them had a firearm in his hand.

You wanna blame somebody for this? Blame the governor for not ordering in the National Guard to prevent this. Blame the mayor for telling the cops to stand down. Homes and businesses were burning. How long are people supposed to stand by and watch everything they have worked for just be burned to the ground, with the full support of the government? As dumb as this kid was to get involved, it wasn't illegal, other than the possession of the gun. So lock him up for the misdemeanor. Right after you lock up the felon in possession of a firearm. I'll wait.

Back to the thread, I still carry a Ruger LC9S with 7 rounds total. I don't even top off the mag. No violence has come to where I live. If it does, I'll change what I carry.

 

[sipowicz]

Sometimes I wonder if it pays to carry at all. Because if you justifiably defend yourself against one of these thugs you will most likely be vilified in the press and then a mob will be at your house threatening to burn you and your family to death. Just ask the McCloskeys.

 

[pennzy]

Yet the cops & local govt arent doing their jobs. It isnt vigilantyism to protect yourself & your property. It is when you take your ar into the streets & basically dare someone to attack you. People need to come to the understanding that cops really arent going to save you or your property, its up to each of is. Again, that is not vigilantyism, just our basic right.

I am not sure they are not doing their job. It is easy to criticise based on the cable noise. Politicizing the whole thing is not helping the situation and it is not considered good leadership to do so but that is where we are. Not pretty but it is what it is. Keep in mind this has not happened in a very long time . Read between my lines. These Governors and Majors are putting out a fire that was not set by them.

 

[kbm6893]

I am not sure they are not doing their job. It is easy to criticise based on the cable noise. Politicizing the whole thing is not helping the situation and it is not considered good leadership to do so but that is where we are. Not pretty but it is what it is. Keep in mind this has not happened in a very long time . Read between my lines. These Governors and Majors are putting out a fire that was not set by them.

Of course it was set by them. They're the ones making statements of guilt for the cops involved in these incidents before an investigation has even begun. They're the ones allowing the crowds to swell and become unruly. They're the ones not setting and enforcing curfews. They're the ones legitimizing these people. NY mayor literally paints Black Lives Matter right in front of Trump Tower, without going through the proper process, while not allowing any other messages to be painted. He cancels all outdoor events except the protests, because the message is too important.

There should never be a need for armed civilians to attempt restore and Lee order. That's why we have cops and national guard. None of this needed to happen. In any city.

 

[ladder13]

I am not sure they are not doing their job. It is easy to criticise based on the cable noise. Politicizing the whole thing is not helping the situation and it is not considered good leadership to do so but that is where we are. Not pretty but it is what it is. Keep in mind this has not happened in a very long time . Read between my lines. These Governors and Majors are putting out a fire that was not set by them.

Putting out nothing. Where do you see them doing such a thing?

Your dislike for the "leader" as you so often put it is "duly noted".

 

[LPD256]

This is an interesting thread. I wrote about 4 paragraphs of my take on the current situation to reply. And then wisely, I found myself thinking that as polarized as Americans are, to include members here, I would do nothing more than raise the blood pressure of someone on one side or the other, and truthfully, no one really cares what I would have said. No matter how fair I was trying to be to everyone. I have guns, ammo, skills, and a plan. For the highly unlikely event that evil will sometime invade my neighborhood. As to the original question, I haven't changed my everyday carry program at all.

 

[tomrkba]

I generally carry two spares. For single stacks, I am adding a third up front in a JM Custom Kydex AIWB mag holder.

 

[biku324]

This is an interesting thread. I wrote about 4 paragraphs of my take on the current situation to reply. And then wisely, I found myself thinking that as polarized as Americans are, to include members here, I would do nothing more than raise the blood pressure of someone on one side or the other, and truthfully, no one really cares what I would have said. No matter how fair I was trying to be to everyone. I have guns, ammo, skills, and a plan. For the highly unlikely event that evil will sometime invade my neighborhood. As to the original question, I haven't changed my everyday carry program at all.

Yes, indeed - correct on all counts.

 

[dockmurgw]

Things would not have spiraled to this point if we had leadership that didn't use dog whistle calls.

You are correct, I agree, the leadership of the cities where these events are taking place, and the leaders of the states where these cities are located. It doesn't take more than a room temperature IQ to know what leader your criticizing and blaming. But you are ignoring a very important fact: Federalism and the 10th amendment. The hierarchy of blame is as follows: The people that voted for their city and state leadership, and the city and state leadership that they elected. The leader you criticize has in fact shown remarkable restraint as these cities circle the drain due to THEIR duly elected leadership.

 

[sipowicz]

This was written in 2017. Scary.

 

[Austin Word]

I still carry a 1911. But when things have been crazier in Houston, I've taken to carrying a M686 in the truck also.

 

[Faulkner]

In the past few weeks I have had cause to interact with wannabe ANTIFA and BLM terrorist on three "protest" occasions. As hard as I tried, I find them not to be reasoned with and I don't think they fully understood how much in harms way they were putting themselves in.

Those who think what's going on in our country may be isolated to Seattle or Portland or other big liberal controlled cities may be fooling themselves. I'm finding even here in rural Arkansas there are those who are emboldened by the weak response to lawlessness in the big cities they are seeing perpetrated on main stream and social media. As a result, I am making changes both professionally and personally.

What we are doing professionally is for another discussion, but personally I now include a long gun as standard gear in my personal owned vehicles along with plenty of ammo in my go bag. I've also shelved my compact carry guns like my J-frame and mini-9mm for normal off duty carry and have stepped up to either a .357 K -Frame, my Glock 23, or a 1911. No, I'm not scared but I do think we are in a weird place in our country right now and I'm taking a few additional precautions just in case those who are unreasonable have to be reasoned with.

 

[kmyers]

I am not sure they are not doing their job. It is easy to criticise based on the cable noise. Politicizing the whole thing is not helping the situation and it is not considered good leadership to do so but that is where we are. Not pretty but it is what it is. Keep in mind this has not happened in a very long time . Read between my lines. These Governors and Majors are putting out a fire that was not set by them.

The governors and mayors did not set the fire but they sure have fanned the flames, tossed gas on the fire by their action, or rather inaction other than appeasing rioters.

 

[pennzy]

K BM, you make some good points. Thanks for a spirited debate and no hard feelings. Same with all others. This thread is a pretty good representation of the different ways the same set of facts are seen. I hope things cool down with all the division because it is not doing any of us any good.