S&W M&P 9 responsible for rise in shootings?

[Groo01]

I own a 92 FS and an M&P and in my 40 plus years of shooting I have never ridden the trigger on any gun I have owned. No I'm not a cop but my God why would anyone train to ride a trigger. Even with my 92 FS and its 500 pound trigger, unless I intend to destroy my target, I do not touch the trigger. Case closed.

Groo here
Some eastern big cities [ NYC for one] did train to have your
finger on the trigger!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The reason given was the hardcore bad men [aka gangs]
believed that an officer was not "serious" unless the finger was on the trigger.
I had 30some years at this, just be glad you have not read /been taught
or been told some of the things we got!!!!!!

 

[Rastoff]

I think some terms are being misconstrued. Let me at least clear up what I think these terms mean.

Riding the Trigger
To me this means having your finger on the trigger all the time. As soon as it leaves the holster, finger is on the trigger. This is a ridiculously unsafe practice and no self-respecting instructor (who is sane) would teach this.

On Target - On Trigger
This means the trigger finger is only on the trigger when actually pointed at the target. At every other time, the trigger finger is outside of the trigger guard on the reference point. This is what I teach. If you're pointed at the target, your finger had better be on the trigger. Otherwise, how will you shoot the gun? If you're not ready to shoot, why is your gun pointed at the target?

If you're not pointed at the target, why is your finger on the trigger? You're not ready to shoot so, it should be on the reference point.

Here it is in a compact thought:
For defensive shooting, when pointed at the target, finger is on the trigger.
For every kind of shooting, if not pointed at the target, finger is outside the trigger guard and on the reference point.

 

[HCH]

What part of "finger off the trigger until you intend to fire" are they not training?

Don't know what they are currently trading, but it always was 'On target, on trigger" for double action pistols.

 

[kbm6893]

The NYPD does NOT teach finger on trigger, sights on target. Finger should not touch trigger until you are going to fire. Screwing up sight picture? How does moving your finger off the trigger guard to trigger do that? And by how much? Enough to matter? I doubt it.

These guys screwed up, no doubt. They're human and were surely amped up a bit. Police work tends to do that to people. Chasing somebody who may have a gun or responding to a shots fired or burglary call are far different than Joe Citizen strapping on an M&P and going about his day. The gun in that case should never even be touched until it is being unholstered and out away.

I like striker fired guns too. I gotta admit I shoot my SR9 better than my 92 and I've been shooting them for over 20 years. But they are less forgiving of error than hammer fired weapons.

 

[petepeterson]

I like striker fired guns too. I gotta admit I shoot my SR9 better than my 92 and I've been shooting them for over 20 years. But they are less forgiving of error than hammer fired weapons.

I shoot my ladyfriend's Glock 19 a tad better than my 3913/14s, but it's that "margin of error" that keeps me from switching to one. To me, the slight loss of accuracy is far outweighed by what I perceive to be a safer carry pistol.

 

[Bud33]

sounds like they need a safety on those guns....

If I'm not mistaken, you can not buy a gun in Calif. without a safety!

 

[Bud33]

New gun blamed for rise in LA County deputy shootings

Sheriff's officials in LA County say S&W M&P 9 pistols may be responsible for rise in accidental shootings.
This is going to be interesting.

Looks to me like an article written by Glock

 

[Fastbolt]

If I'm not mistaken, you can not buy a gun in Calif. without a safety!

In order to get any new pistol designs onto the Roster ...

Manual safety? No.

Magazine safety? Yes. (In addition to a couple other features.)

 

[Rastoff]

If I'm not mistaken, you can not buy a gun in Calif. without a safety!

You are mistaken. This is more internet FUD. Allow me to clear it up for you...

In CA, to buy a handgun legally, it must be on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. There are many handguns on the list that do not have a thumb safety or magazine safety. As long as they were on the list prior to the mag safety requirement, they may remain on the list as long as the certificate is renewed before it expires.

There was never a law requiring a thumb safety and still isn't.

 

[vipermd]

What it does say is that they were trained to have their finger on the trigger when they were on the target.

I have read the article numerous times, out of the 30 lines, which one does it say ... finger on trigger ... target?
I agree it is a training issue or poor execution of what was taught, I can not find that statement? Line?? Be Safe,

 

[Georgia Yankee]

Real interesting article. Changing to superior equipment but failing to train properly. Training can fix this, and it would not necessarily require much live ammo, done under the supervision of a coach.