Say goodbye to private transfers

[LostintheOzone]

And every so often I wonder why I don't join the NRA.

I know mandatory .gov approval for all gun sales sounds great to the NRA but not so much what I had in mind.

I'm not so sure I would call it Gov't approval. When they run a NICS check on me I never get approved and I still get my gun in about 5 working days. So in reality the ATF never approved it, they just didn't not approve it. In that case the gun stays with the FFL I guess. Not sure how that happens but it does. I'm a vet with no record what so ever and I have lived and worked in the same area for 35 years. That's a wonderful database they have there, just needs a little work. Jim

 

[Joewisc]

Other than raising revenues for FFL's, which have to pay for their licenses anyway, I see no point to background checks that are perfunctory at best and do nothing to deter would-be criminals from obtaining a firearm under false pretenses. It's a "feel-good" measure at best. Here in WI long gun purchases can be made at the point of sale, usually with little or no wait, while handgun purchases require a 48-hour wait. This is ironic given all the attention is on so-called "assault rifles." As I recall, the worst mass murder in modern U.S. history took 32 lives and wounded 17. The weapons were a Glock 19 and a Walther P22, both handguns.

 

[jtpur]

I had a good friend whose husband died and three weeks later her Mother died. She, her husband and I had been close since 7th grade. She called ,e one day, left a message saying she wanted help buying a gun. I did not help because with all she had going I wasn't sure of her motives. My point is I did not need the Government telling me she was or was not fine. I made the decision based on my common sense. It now dawns on me that I was the last and only American capable of common sense without government intervention. So now if my best friend wants to buy one of my guns it's obvious that I no longer can exercise my wise judgement and now I too am in need of government intervention.

 

[jlrhiner]

Maybe along with the "universal background checks", we can include nationwide CCW, exempting those that hold them from the restriction.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Maybe along with the "universal background checks", we can include nationwide CCW, exempting those that hold them from the restriction.

That's the type of thinking I like.

Whether a person agrees with that particular idea or not, it's negotiating FOR something. I've mentioned before that if we are going to negotiate on background checks then I'd like to see these absurd six months and longer delays in getting a Class 3 tax stamp negotiated away. An instant background check should be all that is required.

Gun control advocates have made it loud and clear what they are for... a ban on 'assault weapons', national gun registration, confiscation, reduced magazine capacity and tighter background checks. But what are our pro 2A friends in Congress for other than gun ownership damage control? I sure would like to see some leadership on something more than babbling about federalizing securtiy at the local elementary school. I understand that defending the Constitution necessarily puts our friends in a defensive posture, but there's plenty of opportunity to negotiate to improve the situation for gun owners, not just give away a bit less than the other side is asking for.

 

[mjb99]

As I recall, the worst mass murder in modern U.S. history took 32 lives and wounded 17. The weapons were a Glock 19 and a Walther P22, both handguns.

Actually, I think the worst mass murder occurred at the Happy Land nightclub in NYC - 87 people died. The murder weapon? A gas can.

Then there were the guys with the stolen standard capacity airliners...

 

[Joewisc]

Actually, I think the worst mass murder occurred at the Happy Land nightclub in NYC - 87 people died. The murder weapon? A gas can.

Then there were the guys with the stolen standard capacity airliners...

of course 9/11 ...3,000 dead. the weapons: box cutters.

 

[Titan]

The intent is for fees and shipping costs to deter private sales altogether.

 

[Vegetaman]

So... This doesn't bode well for giving your collection to your children, does it? If you have to pay a transfer fee... Or am I reading this wrong?

 

[Lenny_D]

So, is the NRA spokesman saying that the organization supports forcing all private sales of firearms to go through a NICS check????

That's exactly what he's saying but what I want to know is after the check is any record retained? Once you pass the NICS check the transaction should be deleted otherwise it is no more than a registration scheme.
Len

 

[gabbyg2]

I guess Iwill become an (OUTLAW)
FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS !.......................III %

Jimmy Garinger
Life N.R.A.
Guthrie OK.
Gods country!

 

[JFootin]

After talking about how the NRA supports background checks at gun shows he said -- the difficulty comes in when you're talking about you and me as next-door neighbors and you buy a shotgun and want to sell one to me. How do you enforce a background check on that? We want to see the proposal.

In NC, both parties are guilty of a crime if they participate in a private sale without the buyer getting the background check and a purchase permit from the local sheriff. But if the buyer has a NC CC permit, that is all that is needed. This part of the law would probably be overridden by the national law. NC's reasoning is that the CC permit holder has already passed a background check, but I guess the Fed wants to know if he has committed a crime since he got his permit.

I used to live in Georgia, where private sales were not regulated. I wish I had picked up one or more guns "off the books." But, alas, I didn't.

 

[Stophel]

That's exactly what he's saying but what I want to know is after the check is any record retained? Once you pass the NICS check the transaction should be deleted otherwise it is no more than a registration scheme.
Len

I was actually considering (against my better judgement) of joining the NRA. Again. However, IF this is the official position, then there is no way in 7734 I'll ever join. I'm trying to find out if this is actually the case.

And the government is definitely holding all NICS records. You really think they're gonna delete this goldmine of information??? Our own beloved NRA sued them over it.... and LOST.
Instant Check Permanent Record
I have found no news on this since this date (2000), but I seriously doubt that the government is now dutifully deleting records immediately, on their own, out of the goodness of their hearts....

There's been way too much capitulation already.

 

[arjay]

^ Good article ^

 

[GBertolet]

I just heard on a talk radio show this week, statistics on firearm purchases denied over failed background checks. Virtually all the denials were due to, purchasers having the same or similar names of people on the do not sell to list, which mistakes are usually resolved in a reasonable amount of time, and the gun purchase is allowed to procede. A very small number are denied for criminal background. Secondly, depending on where you live, being behind on child support payments, etc, will get you on the list also. So the anti's claims on how effecive the background check is, at keeping firearms out of the hands of "dangerous people" is vastly overblown.
Here in PA, currently, on every background check I have had, no specific information on the firearm is requested by the state, other than long gun or handgun. That's it. Of course, if future private transfers are required by law to have this check, a completed form 4473 will be required of all transfers by law also.

 

[keith44spl]

Well Boys,

We's might as well forget about sellin or tradin amougest ourselves...

They'd pinch us for sure...Hell, why they's caught up with some federal boys swapin' sugar with
some Colombian Cuties. And that aint been too awful long ago, it'd be the same ol deal....I'd say.

And sumthing about, runnin' guns down Tijuana way sumtime or another.

Mabee jest a deal gone wrong? I don't rightly know, fur sure. I jest heard about it....

The Law's got a purty long........arm, I say.

So, don't even think about doin' anything private!

Su Amigo,
Dave

 

[labworm]

So says the NRA,maybe not in those exact words.

http://news.newsmax.com/?K6I6axGjtf.../2013/01/17/id/471835?s=al&promo_code=11FA7-1

That will definitely put the screws to us here in MA.
We are limited to what we can buy under the MA Approved Roster List, this will eliminate many firearms we currently can purchase in private face to face sales.

 

[handejector]

Rumors, RUMORS, and MORE RUMORS -

We DON'T need them now.

The only reference in that article to background checks in that article is:
"The head of the National Rifle Association says the organization has no problem with tighter background checks of gun purchasers."
WHAT does that say?
Is he referring to maybe mental health history being checked?
Is he referring to maybe psychotropic drug prescriptions being checked?
Does it mention PRIVATE transfers? NO!

That is NOT even a direct quote!

The whole article is SIX sentences.
The words "private transfer" are NOT in the article.

C'mon, folks, let's keep up with facts and not speculation and rumor.
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On another note, what, exactly, do all you heroes who always slide an NRA bash or two into every other post do to protect the 2nd?
Don't get me wrong- anything you do is laudable, but do you REALLY think we'll accomplish as much as individuals as the NRA millions can? Get real. The NRA whines are getting old.