So says the NRA,maybe not in those exact words.
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Alnamvet68
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I think it will just add the requirement that the buyer in a private sale has to have a background check done, most likely by a FFL, who will seize the opportunity to charge an outrageous fee for going on line and initiating the NICS check and doing the transfer paperwork. While this is a financial win for the LGS, and definitely a legal win for the seller (who will be cleared of all doubt that he knowingly sold to a bad guy), it is a no win for private buyers who will have to bear the additional cost. Perhaps a minor inconvenience in the short run, but another way of insuring guns stay in the hands of those who are in the legal right to own and possess.
Stophel
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What it will do is eliminate private sales of firearms. Meaning, they will simply no longer be private. ALL gun sales will then register the buyer and the seller (oh, you think that they actually wipe out all record of the NICS check??? Sure....). And, of course, it will create a new class of "criminal". Those intrepid Liberty lovers who dare to buy or sell a gun without government interference.
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In California, we must do all private party transfers through an FFL. The total cost is up to $35, which I believe is excessive.
The FFL can charge up to $10 to compensate for the time he spends doing the paperwork. This is reasonable.
The state of California then charges $25 to run the background check. IIRC the NICS system is free to use, so I don't know what justification they have to charge this fee
Comrad
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I buy privately in NJ, the catch is the seller has to ship it or hand it over to a local FFL who charges me $60.00 for the transfer plus $15.00 for the NICS check. It can be done in 10, 15 or 20 minutes depending on who is in the store and how busy the NICS line is. I hear there are cheaper FFLs but this is my local guy and I like to support my locals.
keith44spl
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And this would apply only for us, the law-a-biding citizens...Right?
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FFL transfers here in PA, at least in my area, are $40.
Stophel
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So, is the NRA spokesman saying that the organization supports forcing all private sales of firearms to go through a NICS check????
In Maryland all regulated firearms (all handguns and most AR type rifles) have had to go through a FFL or the State Police for years, $10 at MSP, or a legal maximum of $20 to a FFL.
There are no limits on transfers form auction sites or from an out of state FFL and they can go over $100.
Face to face/ citizen to citizen private sales of all other firearms are still legal. I think that will go away soon.
Folks get angry at FFL fees, but they never consider overhead, liability, licensing fees, opportunity costs for time spent filing papers and the pure pain in the rear that firearms related paperwork causes.
It is only going to get worse, so enjoy that relatively cheap transfer that you can get now.
I believe the NICS check will become universal for all firearm transfers soon.
There are no limits on transfers form auction sites or from an out of state FFL and they can go over $100.
Face to face/ citizen to citizen private sales of all other firearms are still legal. I think that will go away soon.
Folks get angry at FFL fees, but they never consider overhead, liability, licensing fees, opportunity costs for time spent filing papers and the pure pain in the rear that firearms related paperwork causes.
It is only going to get worse, so enjoy that relatively cheap transfer that you can get now.
I believe the NICS check will become universal for all firearm transfers soon.
SanJoseScott
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Ok class so let us review: The aurora shooter bought his guns through gun shops with the background check and waiting period. The Columbine shooters were underage so they bought them through a 3rd party (strawman purchase). The CT shooter stole them from his mom.
So how does restricting private party gun sales even remotely begin to help reduce "gun violence"?
Last night I was in a discussion about "gun violence" with my daughter and a couple of her friends. I told them I would demonstrate "gun violence" to them if they wanted and they all hesitantly agreed. I place an unloaded pellet gun on the kitchen table and sat back and watched (was actually hunched over staring at the pellet gun). After about 2 minutes or so they were curiously looking me intently staring at the gun. At about the 3 minute point they asked what I was doing. I told them to think about the situation a minute. Being relatively bright they all started smiling as they got it. I didn't have to say another word and their conversation started questioning what they had heard from others about those evil guns. I actually heard one of them say on the phone "but dude, it is the crazy person not the gun".....
Maybe there is some hope as these are 18 and 19 year olds
So how does restricting private party gun sales even remotely begin to help reduce "gun violence"?
Last night I was in a discussion about "gun violence" with my daughter and a couple of her friends. I told them I would demonstrate "gun violence" to them if they wanted and they all hesitantly agreed. I place an unloaded pellet gun on the kitchen table and sat back and watched (was actually hunched over staring at the pellet gun). After about 2 minutes or so they were curiously looking me intently staring at the gun. At about the 3 minute point they asked what I was doing. I told them to think about the situation a minute. Being relatively bright they all started smiling as they got it. I didn't have to say another word and their conversation started questioning what they had heard from others about those evil guns. I actually heard one of them say on the phone "but dude, it is the crazy person not the gun".....
Maybe there is some hope as these are 18 and 19 year olds
Big Fred
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As always, WE, the law-a-biding, are the ones that suffer.
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Too many gun owners are waiving the white flag and are ready to comply with laws that haven't even been passed yet. Most if not all of New York's new legislation does not kick in for awhile and by then a judge could throw it out. Obama's 23 "executive orders" amounted to very little and were strictly for show. Any meaningful changes will have to go through Congress, which has its hands full with the debt ceiling and a full plate already. Most if not all of NY's and the proposed new federal laws are misdemeanor offenses, punishable by small fines.
Does anyone seriously think that law enforcement, which already is overburdened, is going to be able to expend the time, money and personnel to hunt down and confiscate every "assault rifle" and "hi-cap magazine" when there are millions out there?
Does anyone seriously think that law enforcement, which already is overburdened, is going to be able to expend the time, money and personnel to hunt down and confiscate every "assault rifle" and "hi-cap magazine" when there are millions out there?
I am sure we all understand that the gov. is going to do is create more crime. Has anyone seen or heard anything that will have an impact on criminals? The background check just keeps the honest people honest.
What irks me is there is never any mention about putting the ones who use guns in a crime away for a loooong time.
What irks me is there is never any mention about putting the ones who use guns in a crime away for a loooong time.
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After talking about how the NRA supports background checks at gun shows he said -- the difficulty comes in when you're talking about you and me as next-door neighbors and you buy a shotgun and want to sell one to me. How do you enforce a background check on that? We want to see the proposal.
jlrhiner
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As I understand it, the NRA has made it clear that an "assault weapon" ban and magazine ban are non-starters. If all are included in one bill, they will fight it all out. But if they are separate, they will look at the so called "gunshow loophole" and improved mental health tracking and can probably work something out. Regardless, the AWB and mag limits stand little chance for success, as everybody knows they were ineffective from before.
I also don't think there are really a lot of congress-critters that didn't take what happened last time as a very valuable lesson. Risking their political careers on a proven failure of a policy for a lame duck President really isn't smart. There'll be a few, but not enough.
Let's see what really winds up. And by no means, stop writing your congress-critter. If you have the ability, hand write or type letters to them. They need to know how we feel.
I also don't think there are really a lot of congress-critters that didn't take what happened last time as a very valuable lesson. Risking their political careers on a proven failure of a policy for a lame duck President really isn't smart. There'll be a few, but not enough.
Let's see what really winds up. And by no means, stop writing your congress-critter. If you have the ability, hand write or type letters to them. They need to know how we feel.
Sftail04
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I just had a handgun transfered to me at a local Gander Mountain here in Western, PA. They charged me $29.99. Also, I just purchased another handgun at a gun show here in PA and they did the background check. They charged me $5 to do it.
Let me understand this. Out of thousands of people rejected by background check as not being able to purchase a gun, only 44 last year were prosecuted for trying to do so. Forty-four. Thousands of people have committed a federal offense and just walked.
To me, "tougher background checks" means certain prosecution if you are caught lying on the federal form. Now THAT would simply be following the law that makes it a federal felony. To let the miscreants walk does nothing. Trust me, they'll get a gun in other ways - stealing or buying off the street.
It is still abhorrent to me to ask the government's permission when buying or selling between private individuals. It's up to me and/or the person selling to me to make that choice. If I show my CCW that verifies that I've been vetted as one of the good guys by the feds, that should be all I have to do. And no federal record should be involved.
John
To me, "tougher background checks" means certain prosecution if you are caught lying on the federal form. Now THAT would simply be following the law that makes it a federal felony. To let the miscreants walk does nothing. Trust me, they'll get a gun in other ways - stealing or buying off the street.
It is still abhorrent to me to ask the government's permission when buying or selling between private individuals. It's up to me and/or the person selling to me to make that choice. If I show my CCW that verifies that I've been vetted as one of the good guys by the feds, that should be all I have to do. And no federal record should be involved.
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