School Drop-off?

[Mickey D]

CA CCW permit holders may be on school grounds with a firearm.

 

[novalty]

CA CCW permit holders may be on school grounds with a firearm.

That is amazing as anti-gun as California is.

 

[Imaposer]

The odds of winning the $550+ million Powerball were in the neighborhood of 1 in 175 million. Two people won despite the odds. I'd estimate that the odds of being "made" carrying on school grounds are significantly lower. Getting patted down is not even a consideration, compared to something simple like printing or inadvertently exposing the concealed firearm. Never think the odds are too high for it to happen.

Yeah. about the same as being struck by lightning... Yet, while I do take reasonable precautions, I don't huddle in fear every time I hear thunder. if I were going to a school function ans was planning to hang around a bit, then yeah, I leave it at home. But just to walk from my car to the school entrance and then back again to see me kid safely inside, every day, I guess I'd just do my thing and go about my business like I do everywhere else everyday.

I suppose everyone had their own take on it, and their own risk tolerance. I just really don't think that I'd ever be "made" in the scenario, and I'm no criminal, not would I be causing trouble or drawing attention to myself. Just another dad dropping his kid at school on the way to work. If you're hanging around, handing out lollipops and talking to the kids then yeah, people might take notice, but....

Again, know the law, and make your own decisions based on your particular situation and comfort level.

 

[Ben_hutcherson]

Just opinion but no firearms of any kind on school property which I believe is one of many places federally banned from carry. And remember school property can go further. Any location an official school event is running or bus stop.

As per my reading of the law, the federal law concerning guns in school zones(a school zone is within 1000 feet of the school) does not apply in any of the following circumstances

1. On private property not part of the school grounds

2. If the person carrying the gun is licensed to do so by the state in which the school resides(i.e. CC license).

3. If the gun is unloaded and in a locked container or locked firearm rack

4. The gun is to be used in an officially approved/sanctioned program

5. The person carrying has a contract between the school and themselves or their employer which specifically allows them to carry a gun at that school

6. An LEO acting in their official capacity

7. If unloaded and transported across the school grounds for the purpose of accessing public or private hunting grounds

As said above, many states do have further, more restrictive laws and it's important to know them. As far as I know, Kentucky does not have any such laws.

At least under federal law, however, provided that either you have a concealed carry permit from the state the school zone is in, or the gun is unloaded and locked up in your car, you're fine.

 

[Imaposer]

As per my reading of the law, the federal law concerning guns in school zones(a school zone is within 1000 feet of the school) does not apply in any of the following circumstances

1. On private property not part of the school grounds

2. If the person carrying the gun is licensed to do so by the state in which the school resides(i.e. CC license).

3. If the gun is unloaded and in a locked container or locked firearm rack

4. The gun is to be used in an officially approved/sanctioned program

5. The person carrying has a contract between the school and themselves or their employer which specifically allows them to carry a gun at that school

6. An LEO acting in their official capacity

7. If unloaded and transported across the school grounds for the purpose of accessing public or private hunting grounds

As said above, many states do have further, more restrictive laws and it's important to know them. As far as I know, Kentucky does not have any such laws.

At least under federal law, however, provided that either you have a concealed carry permit from the state the school zone is in, or the gun is unloaded and locked up in your car, you're fine.

Wow. That would mean that a lot of people are violating the law just by driving by a school. Public roads are not private property so that exemption doesn't count. And in Georgia at least you are allowed to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle without having a CCW. I know many people that do so. And that's not even to mention the times that they may drive onto school property with the loaded gun in their vehicle.

 

[Tliryc]

Resident Texas CHL holders are legal on school premises which are all areas accept buildings unless a school sponsored function is being held or on school vehicles. Federal law addresses all other guns and school legalities.

The way the Texas Concealed Handgun Laws and Selected Statutes defines premises is the actual building/s. As SETXN said those are off limits. So yes, according to the law in Texas, you can carry a handgun on you all the way up to the door as long as there isn't a field day or something else that is school sponsored going on outside on the school grounds. Or you can leave it in your car, at which point I would suggest placing it out of the view of anyone who happens to walk by and look in the window.

 

[Imaposer]

The way the Texas Concealed Handgun Laws and Selected Statutes defines premises is the actual building/s. As SETXN said those are off limits. So yes, according to the law in Texas, you can carry a handgun on you all the way up to the door as long as there isn't a field day or something else that is school sponsored going on outside on the school grounds. Or you can leave it in your car, at which point I would suggest placing it out of the view of anyone who happens to walk by and look in the window.

Good to know. Guess I was ok then. Recently while visiting my GF in TX I went to pick her daughter up from school. I was carrying, but hadn't planned to exit my vehicle. Her daughter came out with a story about getting her phone taken up (long story) and needed a parent or guardian to sign for it to get it back. Kinda took me off guard, but I removed my gun and left in under the seat while I went inside.

 

[setxn]

Imaposer- Without digging out the book I believe school property carry is only legal in the state that issued the CHL or whatever it is called in that state if allowed by state law. I can drive a few miles east to LA. and not be legal due to federal law.

 

[novalty]

Wish Maine law was the same as Texas...

 

[nipster]

Keep in mind, all these laws require someone to prosecute you.

The local district attorney would not have a job for very long if he started setting up roadblocks in front of schools and searching people's vehicles looking for guns without probable cause. And prosecuting people for gun possession when they were just driving by a school on a public road.

Keep in mind, the same thing holds true with the parking lot of post offices.

 

[setxn]

I recall a person getting a weapons charge that was a result of a medical emergency. What are the odds? I don't know but I would hate to get Federal weapons charges because as Wilford Brimley says I forgot "To check my blood sugar and check it often"

P.S.-At the time of this posting I was not aware of what happened in Conn. at the school. My concerns are now with those people and that tragedy.

 

[kisportolt]

Looks like Michigan's laws on carrying at a school are changing and they are now going to allow people to carry more than just while in a vehicle dropping off or picking up

 

[BigBill]

When i carry i carry it everywhere. I'll leave it at that. If its ever needed you have to carry it.

 

[BigBill]

williamlayton,

That may be OK in Texas, but in Ohio if you

screw up concerning school property or events & firearms,

It's FELONY TIME.

All your Firearms are GONE for real, FOREVER.

I'm with william its better to have it if its needed it could save many lives today.

 

[RSWMTB]

In this state, if you drop off your child to school and are carrying, you committed a felony the moment you drove onto school property...even if you stay in the car.

 

[7shooter]

In MN it's legal for a carry permit holder to carry in a vehicle in a school parking lot to pick kids up. It is also legal to leave the firearm in the vehicle if the permit carrier leaves the vehicle to go into school. The permit carrier can legally exit the vehicle and go to the trunk to store the firearm if he is leaving the vehicle.

Here is the exception in MN law that generally bans carry on school property :

(e) This subdivision does not apply to:
(1) active licensed peace officers;
(3) persons authorized to carry a pistol under section 624.714 while in a motor vehicle or outside of a motor vehicle to directly place a firearm in, or retrieve it from, the trunk or rear area of the vehicle;
(4) persons who keep or store in a motor vehicle pistols in accordance with section 624.714 or 624.715 or other firearms in accordance with section 97B.045

 

[TexasArmed]

In MN it's legal for a carry permit holder to carry in a vehicle in a school parking lot to pick kids up. It is also legal to leave the firearm in the vehicle if the permit carrier leaves the vehicle to go into school. The permit carrier can legally exit the vehicle and go to the trunk to store the firearm if he is leaving the vehicle.

Here is the exception in MN law that generally bans carry on school property :

(e) This subdivision does not apply to:
(1) active licensed peace officers;
(3) persons authorized to carry a pistol under section 624.714 while in a motor vehicle or outside of a motor vehicle to directly place a firearm in, or retrieve it from, the trunk or rear area of the vehicle;
(4) persons who keep or store in a motor vehicle pistols in accordance with section 624.714 or 624.715 or other firearms in accordance with section 97B.045

Texas has the provision that a CHL holder may carry in the school parking lot but not enter into the school building except not if there is a special event. In view of what happened in CT permit holders ought to be allowed to carry inside the school property. Those who oppose that in my view have blood on their hands. Someone with a permit might have prevented what happened in CT. I feel so strongly about this if my child were still in school I would refuse to allow her to attend a school that did not have armed securtity.

This one question about carrying in the school parking lot to pick kids up I missed as did everyone in my CHL class when I took it. I thought that there was some provision regarding 1000 feet but that does not apply to those with a CHL in Texas.

 

[Lost Lake]

In WI the 1000' rule does not apply if you have a permit or are on your own property.

But we cannot carry on school property.

When you think about it, 1000 feet is a fifth of a mile, and many school properties are several blocks in size, so draw a 1000' radius from the outer circumference of all the schools in a small town, and there won't be many places that would be okay to carry without a permit.

 

[PeterCartwright]

As someone noted above, Michigan's carry laws vis-a-vis public schools are in flux. Current laws allow one who holds a valid CPL to carry in their vehicle while dropping off their own children or picking up same. An unintended consequence of legal wording has also been judged by Michigan State Police to allow current holders of CHL to carry OPENLY ONLY on school grounds. As you can imagine, anyone who chose to practice open carry on school grounds would gets LOTS of attention...especially these days. The legislature placed a new law on the governor's desk this week which, among other things, would revoke this (unintended) open carry provision in schools and replace it with increased concealed carry privileges-including public schools WHICH CHOOSE TO ALLOW IT-for those who meet additional training standards.

Michigan already has a two tier CHL system, but now only law enforcement/retired law enforcement folks have an "unrestricted" license while the rest of us have CPLs with a long list of NO CARRY zones. Should the governor choose to sign the bill on his desk, civilians who are willing to secure additional training requirements will be granted higher carry privileges.

Unfortunately, there is no uniform concealed carry policy or law from state to state and it is the responsibility of the one who carries to know that law at all times. Scary, huh!

PC

 

[7shooter]

It was explained to me that the 1,000 foot Federal law only comes into play if you are already committing a crime or in some states do not have a valid permit. The book " Florida Firearms Law, Use, and Ownership " ( a great book ) by Jon H. Gutmacher, Esq. tells people to get a Florida permit to avoid problems if you should inadvertently violate the 1,000 foot Federal statute by for example getting stopped for a minor traffic violation in front of a school and the officer discovers you are transporting an other wise legal firearm in your vehicle.

As others have stated every state has their own laws. Check with a local attorney or go to Handgunlaw.US and click on your state.