HOUSTON RICK
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LEO's are not bodyguards. They preserve public order, you preserve your rear end.
Scott Peterson not guilty
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I would really like to have the facts before I made a final decision. I do know in the Nashville school and the Allen mall shootings it was settled when the officers disregarded their safety and went towards the gunfire, engaging the shooter, terminating the threat.
This did not happen at Columbine, Uvalde, and this shooting in Florida.
I leave it up to you how to decided.
This did not happen at Columbine, Uvalde, and this shooting in Florida.
I leave it up to you how to decided.
Good for him. I don't know how he sleeps at night...
Funny reading about how checks and balances but when it doesn't work in their favor they get all indignant.
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Another horse & pony show. What a world we live in!
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I shouldn't do this, I know I shouldn't, but here goes:
1) We no longer live in the world where "I wasn't there, I don't know what really happened, so I can't judge" flies. Virtually every act of law enforcement is captured on multiple cameras for posterity and played back in the media long before it is run back in freeze frame for the jury. What really happened is apparent.
2) "None of us knows what they would do in that situation". Some of us do. We've been there and done it and past performance is a good predictor.
3) "He was only following orders". Didn't wash at Nuremburg or My Lai. Doesn't wash at Parkland or Uvalde or the next one.
While I appreciate the ethic that warns against judging others, I also recognize that if we don't call actions right or wrong, even good or evil we are left with anarchy. His actions were cowardly. I worked with officers like that and I considered them worse than no backup. There were others I'd have taken over the 3rd Marines. Brad Pitt had a great line in the movie " Fury": "Do your job". If you can't or won't you should be able to figure that out long before retirement and go find another line of work.
Finally, when I saw the name Scott Peterson I thought they had retried the punk that killed his wife and dumped her body in the Pacific 20 years ago. That's how little attention I've paid to this man and his future.
1) We no longer live in the world where "I wasn't there, I don't know what really happened, so I can't judge" flies. Virtually every act of law enforcement is captured on multiple cameras for posterity and played back in the media long before it is run back in freeze frame for the jury. What really happened is apparent.
2) "None of us knows what they would do in that situation". Some of us do. We've been there and done it and past performance is a good predictor.
3) "He was only following orders". Didn't wash at Nuremburg or My Lai. Doesn't wash at Parkland or Uvalde or the next one.
While I appreciate the ethic that warns against judging others, I also recognize that if we don't call actions right or wrong, even good or evil we are left with anarchy. His actions were cowardly. I worked with officers like that and I considered them worse than no backup. There were others I'd have taken over the 3rd Marines. Brad Pitt had a great line in the movie " Fury": "Do your job". If you can't or won't you should be able to figure that out long before retirement and go find another line of work.
Finally, when I saw the name Scott Peterson I thought they had retried the punk that killed his wife and dumped her body in the Pacific 20 years ago. That's how little attention I've paid to this man and his future.
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That Wuss should not be allowed to carry a badge and gun
again.
again.
Do the individuals not make up the whole?
HOUSTON RICK
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We sleep well knowing that many LEO's for whom being a policeman is a way of life. Unfortunately, we are getting fewer of them and more for whom it is just a job. Similar things have happened elsewhere as the once proud professions of medicine, accounting and law are now industries looking only to separate you from your money in any way legally possible.
There are a lot of forces in our society that have combined to make law enforcement an unattractive profession these days. Relentless criticism from the press...outrage and demonstrations any time a cop has to use force...craven politicians and administrators who don't have the troops' backs...etc.
I have several close family members and friends in law enforcement. I used to tell them I couldn't do their jobs because I have a very low tolerance for nitwits, and because the cars aren't big enough to hold all the ammo I would want to carry. That's even more true today...
Well-stated. I didn't follow this trial at all -- didn't watch one minute of it -- so I heard none of the evidence. As someone who believes in and supports our American system of justice, I accept the jury's verdict that he was not guilty of the charges levied against him. He committed no crime.
That doesn't change the fact that he's a coward. As I noted before, I don't know how he sleeps at night...
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If I had an officer under my charge that I believed would not go into a school, alone, during an active shooter situation I would have that officer reassigned accordingly.
It all changes when you agree to take the job. What I would expect out of someone in parking enforcement is way different than someone who accepted an assignment at a school.
I have to believe I would have a hard time living with myself if I stood by and let someone kill kids.
I have to believe I would have a hard time living with myself if I stood by and let someone kill kids.
A minor beef between contractors resulted in a "man with a gun" call to PD from the utility plant where I worked. I observed the first officer to respond wait outside the entry gate 5-10 minutes for back up.
What was he trained to do?
Despite wall to wall coverage locally I virtually ignored the story. I did not know about the endangerment charges until I read the above posts, I had wondered why he was on trial at all as cowardice is not a crime.
What was he trained to do?
Despite wall to wall coverage locally I virtually ignored the story. I did not know about the endangerment charges until I read the above posts, I had wondered why he was on trial at all as cowardice is not a crime.
Peterson from Day 1 has insisted he did nothing wrong. I don't believe I have ever heard him express remorse for the victims.
I have work with Officers like Peterson. I had a coworker that never went hands on in any kind unruly situation. I never saw him even use his handcuffs. He stood way back and let the rest of us roll on ground fighting with the perp. I don't even want to think about whether he would use his gun (assuming it had a round in the chamber and even worked).
School Resource Officers have always concerned me. When I see a 50 something Officer I feel he is probably looking for a easy do nothing job until retirement.
I have work with Officers like Peterson. I had a coworker that never went hands on in any kind unruly situation. I never saw him even use his handcuffs. He stood way back and let the rest of us roll on ground fighting with the perp. I don't even want to think about whether he would use his gun (assuming it had a round in the chamber and even worked).
School Resource Officers have always concerned me. When I see a 50 something Officer I feel he is probably looking for a easy do nothing job until retirement.
But there is also brave LEO's like the officer who stopped the recent mall shooting in Allen Texas.
I am sure you have seen the video!
I am sure you have seen the video!
I attached it to post #28 in case anyone missed it. Joe
This is why there should be no gun free zones. Daughters school had an active shooter call, thankfully turned out to be false but one of the Mom's stood at the front door and told the principle no one is going to hurt these kids as she patted her hip. Bus driver at same school asked me what I thought of him carrying to protect the kids, I was all for it. Both could have been fired or arrested but instead chose to protect the kids. A couple of us carry at church for same reason. When my daughter was in school I always carried when I was there. We need to take care of ourselves. As for the coward of Broward hope he can sleep at night or not!
Who are you counting on if you call 911, Peterson? The entire Uvalde PD? The Allen Texas guy? What you hope for and what you get may not be the same. Therein lies the problem when SCOTUS says they don't have to protect you. Call 911 and roll the dice.
This is an overstatement. While generally true, there are exceptions to qualified immunity.
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