SCOTUS Rules 'Ghost Guns' are Illegal

I have a question about Ghost guns. Exactly how does a ghost hold a gun? I mean, can they handle solid objects? Why are ghost restricted from owning guns, I mean, are they now part of the forbidden class?

Rosewood
Based on TV shows I've seen on Discovery Channel, ghosts can slam doors, move chairs, and make chandeliers swing, so maybe they can hold guns. :D
 
Just to ad fuel to the fire - The ATF estimates there are an average of 266,000 firearms stolen in the US each year.

I cant give an actual, verified number, but my experience in LE has been that a fairly significant percentage of those end up in crimes, even if the perpetrator was not the person who originally stole it. And there are quite a few folks, who for whatever reason, do not report firearms theft to the police.

R/E the original topic, as a non-licensed individual, you are still allowed to manufacture a firearm from scratch for personal use (non-resale), and I don't believe a serial number is required.

Larry

Here in Maryland, owners of firearms that are lost or stolen are required to report the loss or theft within 72 hours after discovering it...

Maryland Public Safety Code Section 5-146 (2024) - Lost or Stolen Regulated Firearms :: 2024 Maryland Code :: U.S. Codes and Statutes :: U.S. Law :: Justia
 
Respectfully, that sounds exactly like the anti-2A argument that "assault weapons" didn't exist when the Constitution was written...

They sure did. Black Powder Muzzle loaders were the assault weapons of the day. They were "weapons of war".

I believe the point was, we didn't need serial numbers back then (not required by Constitution), so we don't need them now.

Rosewood
 
I'd mildly suggest that 'ghost guns' were illegal when the case went to SCOTUS; after they ruled, ghost guns are still illegal but with finality.

How many devils can dance on the head of a pin?

Not all "ghost guns" are illegal. The opinion addressed 80% lowers. It is perfectly legal to 3D print your own gun. The majority opinion recognizes this. All of the metal parts can be obtained from Home Depot, with the exception of the barrel, which is perfectly legal to purchase. What has always been illegal is transferring a "ghost gun" without obtaining a serial number for it . . .
 
I have a question about Ghost guns. Exactly how does a ghost hold a gun? I mean, can they handle solid objects? Why are ghost restricted from owning guns, I mean, are they now part of the forbidden class?

Rosewood

I think they need to gain spiritual strength first... Some say this can come from kneeling in spooky pews:D
 
They sure did. Black Powder Muzzle loaders were the assault weapons of the day. They were "weapons of war".

I believe the point was, we didn't need serial numbers back then (not required by Constitution), so we don't need them now.

Rosewood

I know what the poster's point was. My point was that our adversaries argue -- ad nauseum -- that the 2nd Amendment should apply only to the firearms technology that was available when it was written. Even when I point out that the SCOTUS shot down that argument in Heller, they continue to cling to it.

Principles matter. We can't argue that serial numbers shouldn't be required because they didn't exist when 2A was written, and then turn around and say that our ARs are protected under 2A. I don't want to get bludgeoned with my own argument... :)
 
I know what the poster's point was. My point was that our adversaries argue -- ad nauseum -- that the 2nd Amendment should apply only to the firearms technology that was available when it was written. Even when I point out that the SCOTUS shot down that argument in Heller, they continue to cling to it.

Principles matter. We can't argue that serial numbers shouldn't be required because they didn't exist when 2A was written, and then turn around and say that our ARs are protected under 2A. I don't want to get bludgeoned with my own argument... :)

I think we can, because the 2nd Amendment (and entire Constitution) is a restriction on Government overreach. It guarantees the Government doesn't take away right, not give us rights.
 
I read the article in American Rifleman about the new Ruger RXM. It indicated that the only serialized part is the fire control group. Is the trigger assembly going to be regarded as a "firearm" by the ATF? This differs greatly from the Glocks I own, as every frame, slide and barrel has matching serial numbers.

It is exactly that.
 
The Sig P365 serialized part is the trigger group, so is the Taurus GX4. You can swap out frames (grip modules) on both of them to any size you want (that is available).

Rosewood
 
I'd mildly suggest that 'ghost guns' were illegal when the case went to SCOTUS; after they ruled, ghost guns are still illegal but with finality.

How many devils can dance on the head of a pin?

I'd attempt to articulate an argument as to how misinformed this is, but it turns out I don't have to. The BATF already laid this out for me.
Privately Made Firearms | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

That said ... Bambu Labs PETG CF is a wonderful carbon fiber reinforced filament if one wishes to print a hoffman tactical AR 15 lower, or tackle the orca project. It also makes a fine glock frame.
they are legal to make and own for as long as you do not sell them, or reside in a jurisdiction that fell for the latest anti gun idiocy. at least not without going through the process of getting it serialized. At this point it's fully transferable.
The mole hill being made into a blatantly misrepresented mountain is within the case of 80% lower's and frames. these are often sold with router/ drill jigs to facilitate the completion of these products.
It's similar to the prepared mixture products of the prohibition era that warned you not to add yeast.
an "80" is an almost but not quite frame being sold like tomatoes.
it's not illegal, even post ruling. it simply needs to go through an FFL transfer like every other frame or lower receiver
 
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What does this do about pre 68 guns that were not serial numbered? Are these now illegal?

No they are not illegal. The GCA makes it illegal to manufacture them with out a serial number.

The full text of the law. Lot of misunderstandings from those who have never actually read the whole thing

The Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618
 
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