Seems Chili’s and Sonic won't be getting

[gordon21]

Serving more booze to a drunk man after you have already served him is nothing close to discriminating in the first place.

And as far as the cabbie is concerned, he should have his medallion yanked if he refuses service.

In 1986 I was working for a franchisee of a worldwide hotel chain and was transferred to Missisippi. When I got there, I was told by the owners that they did not serve blacks (they used another word) in the lounge area of the hotel. They would rent them a room or allow them in the restaurant, but not the bar.

The local drugstore/soda shop in town still had a separate counter for blacks. And this was in 1986!!!! 32 years after Brown v Board of education. Needless to say, my short time in Mississippi was unpleasant and I took my wife and newborn and headed for south Florida.

In Florida, my 60 person staff included people from over a dozen countries, several shades of skin color and at least 8 religions.

You don't have to LIKE your customers, but you do have to serve them, take their money and send them on their way. They are merely a transient customer in a transaction. One of thousands.

 

[WuzzFuzz]

In defense of Chili's and Sonics's food, are not they franchise run?

It's like going to a Denny's, some are horrible, and some..well.... the water is good,(sometimes). But it depends on who is doing the cooking. They aren't corp workers, they work for the franchise owner.

So..isn't it up to the franchisee to decide what goes at their establishment?

Just wondering!!!!!!!


WuzzFuzz

 

[WuzzFuzz]

Gordon, But is it discrimination..racial, political, ethnic, if ALL persons are requested to abide?

If the establishment says...No shirt, no service. does that not apply to all?

Does the establishment have the right to say, NO CHECKS? or No Credit Cards? Does that apply to all?

Does the establishment, have the right to do that?

No refunds without a receipt. Can they do that?

And as far as the cabbie is concerned, he should have his medallion yanked if he refuses service.

If I am a independent cab owner, I HAVE to go?????? I don't think so. The city is going to take my medallion because I said I don't think it's safe to go to that part of town late at night? Shoot, a lot of other people aren't even going to go to that part of town late at night...(Well, maybe the druggies do, or the muggers there are waiting for their next victim)

And then there is a hot dog stand in Chicago, that does not offer ketchup with their hot dogs. Can they do that?

WuzzFuzz

 

[chaparrito]

Faulkner: As a private citizen, you do have the right to select where to spend your money. However as a BUSINESS, you are open to the public. And with that comes the obligation to serve anyone. Any color, any ethnic group, any religion and so on.

Let's say your 17 year old daughter's car breaks down in a rural area on her way home from college at 9PM. She is 2 hours away. The only tow truck operator in town shows up and says. "I'm not towing any **** daughter" and drives away.

Substitute **** with your favorite racial or ethnic slur. Or even the word pig. Maybe the tow truck driver is a LEO hater.
How do you feel now about selective serving of the public???

Your last sentence is spot on and I agree. But the days of signs saying "whites only", " No Irish" are done.

Maybe I'm mis-understanding here, but it seems to me that hispanic ≠ gun carrier, black ≠ gun carrier, white≠ gun carrier, female/male ≠ gun carrier.You can put down carrying a gun if you want to. It's perfectly legal to require a coat and tie in a restaurant. No tie? Sorry, this is a high class place and we require formal dress. A firearm, it's ideological and constitutional trappings aside is much more like a sportcoat than it is skin color.
The constitution forbids discrimination on the basis of race, religion, sex, and age; not accessories.

 

[gordon21]

I was concerned about Faulkners comments, not the OP.

His comment was that as a business owner, he decides WHO he wants to do business with. Not conditions of sale. Faulkner doesn't even allow you to get to the point of check versus credit card. He stops you from being a customer at all.

Wuzzfuzz lists rules of sale. I support every one of them. There is nothing wrong with rules of sale, as long as every customer is subject to them.

The OP was citing the privilege of the restaurant chains to make rules. Unfortunately, they do have that right. It is a rule of sale. I don't agree with it, but it is legal. We can only vote with our wallet in situations like this. However, it does no good unless you tell the offending corporate office.

Walmart's had NO GUNS signs. The key word here is HAD. Not any more.

 

[Old TexMex]

A "demonstration" is different than an individual going about his normal routine / business.

I don't get involved in demonstrations. Walking around with a crew in BDOs and armalites, well...I don't see the point, anymore than the "ride your bicycle naked day parade". Like a bullfight: fun to watch, but....

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

I have not noticed that here.

 

[Double B]

I remember around 20 years ago when Texas first began concealed licensing. The first thing many of the restaurants did was post signs saying something to the effect of "no handguns allowed". This did not make you, the concealed weapon holder a law breaker if you carried your gun into the restaurant! If they asked you to leave because you were armed, legally, and you did not, the authorities could charge you with trespass and trespass only.

Soon, very soon, after the lawyers had a chance to chew on this concept of not "allowing" licensed CHL folks in their clients place of business (i.e. restaurants) the signs began to come down quite rapidly.

I guess the learned barristers determined that if I brought my family into a restaurant, had to leave my "legal" weapon in my truck (gave up my right in Texas to protect myself and my family). The lawyers suggested to their restaurant clients they might want to rethink the forbading concept of "no guns" If a man left his licensed carry weapon in his truck, to eat in a restaurant that nobody had guns, and something happened in the way of a shooting, the onerous to protect the customers came to rest solely on the shoulders of the restaurant to protect the customers even more diligently than ever. This is how it was explained to me.

I will ask Chilis and Sonic if this is their policy and I too will be a former customer.

I think you're talking about Luby's and this scenario absolutely happened.
I tried to copy a utube link to a survivor, Dr. Susan Gratia-Hupp who testified. If you haven't seen this you need to see it.

Dr Susan Gratia-Hupp - Survivor of the 1991 Kileen TX Lubys Shooting Massacre - YouTube

 

[Faulkner]

Faulkner: As a private citizen, you do have the right to select where to spend your money. However as a BUSINESS, you are open to the public. And with that comes the obligation to serve anyone. Any color, any ethnic group, any religion and so on.

Let's say your 17 year old daughter's car breaks down in a rural area on her way home from college at 9PM. She is 2 hours away. The only tow truck operator in town shows up and says. "I'm not towing any **** daughter" and drives away.

Substitute **** with your favorite racial or ethnic slur. Or even the word pig. Maybe the tow truck driver is a LEO hater.
How do you feel now about selective serving of the public???

Your last sentence is spot on and I agree. But the days of signs saying "whites only", " No Irish" are done.

I don't agree you, and I don't condone discrimination. I do believe there are times when a business open to the public should be allowed to refuse service. To discuss further would likely break forum rules so I'll reframe from commenting further.

 

[Nico Testosteros]

The restaurants are prohibiting open carry, not concealed carry. There's a huge difference.

 

[DeadWhiteGoose]

Businesses, at least in California, have the right to refuse service to anyone at all. There doesn't have to be any reason. Coming out right in a discriminatory manner isn't allowed but that doesn't stop it from happening. Businesses are treated as private entities and can do as they please. It's up to us whether or not they receive our hard earned dollars.

 

[the ringo kid]

I don't know that I can really blame Sonic for prohibiting open carry in their restaurants. From what I read in the news people were showing up with rifles strapped to their backs.

How would you react if you were sitting in a restaurant and someone walked in with a rifle?

Here, I'd care less if a person walked into a business with a rifle. It USED to be common in the small City of approx 30,000, I grew up in. Now if it were being carried in a threatening manner? I'd be concern and paying attention.

 

[the ringo kid]

Guns are tools. My Dad had a Carpentry/contractors business. He wore a leather tool pouch/belt wherever he went. He could walk into an HEBs or a Krogers wearing said belt. The belt usually contained: a large hammer, box cutters, pliars, a loaded staple gun, all kinds of nails, screws etc----nobody batted an eyelash. Also part of his tools included a handgun, and nobody cared.

My point is, is we need to a degree, get back to the ways things once were.

 

[the ringo kid]

I think you're talking about Luby's and this scenario absolutely happened.
I tried to copy a utube link to a survivor, Dr. Susan Gratia-Hupp who testified. If you haven't seen this you need to see it.

Dr Susan Gratia-Hupp - Survivor of the 1991 Kileen TX Lubys Shooting Massacre - YouTube

Thanks for posting this. I remember her testimony and the shooting well. I saw a certain person listening to her testimony who is still in office and more anti-gun than ever. Same attitude then as he has now.

 

[SW_shooter]

I won't be so brave as to say I know why the publicized ban but.... recently here in the great state of guns a somewhat smallish group of gun lovers has taken it upon themselves to open carry in an attempt to make a point. Among other places I believe they have visited both Chili's and Sonic while carrying their ARs and AKs slung over their shoulders. That is what is causing a stir. I understand they want to see open carry made legal, but I think they're going about it in a fashion that is causing more concern than support.

 

[the ringo kid]

It ain't the way it used to be, that's for sure.

 

[RonJ]

I gave up on Chilli's long ago. Bad ribs (very bad) bad steaks, everything was bad except the beer.

Sonic has a decent burger and excellent fries. Their ccw policy doesn't bother me.

 

[Art Doc]

The day Sonic announced their no guns policy an outlet in Kansas City was robbed at gunpoint. I guess the criminals still don't obey signs, corporate policy or the law, eh?

On the one hand wearing an AR15 on your back seems excessive. I could do without it. On the other hand if we are going to make a point that guns are not evil, you have to get used to such a site. It's common in Israel, and nobody freaks out.

 

[gregintenn]

Here, I'd care less if a person walked into a business with a rifle. It USED to be common in the small City of approx 30,000, I grew up in. Now if it were being carried in a threatening manner? I'd be concern and paying attention.

What if these two clowns showed up and demanded service? There is a tasteful and respectful way to handle most anything. It seems respect for one's fellow man has gone the way of the dinosaur.

 

[wildenout]

Sounds like they can kiss my grits, cuz I am not quitting Sonic's Happy Hour or Chili's amazing Tex-Mex egg rolls..

 

[jack the toad]

What if these two clowns showed up and demanded service? There is a tasteful and respectful way to handle most anything. It seems respect for one's fellow man has gone the way of the dinosaur.

Not to judge folks based on their appearance, but the big guy in above pic and some others that I've recently seen in posted pics of similar folks exercising their 2A rights at various eating establishments, looks like the last place they need to be is someplace to eat. But hey, I'm overweight too.
And I'm all for carrying whatever, wherever, whenever, but some of the fence sitters and undecided about the entire gun issue folks perception of gun owners is not the image I'd want to present. Just my opinion.

 

[walkin jack]

As far as any establishment's right to ban guns or perfume or shoes or hair spray I support it 100%. I also support MY right to chose where I eat, shop, etc. There's plenty of competition around in every retail venue so it's not a problem for me. I just don't go where I'm not wanted. And if my CCW is not wanted them I'm not wanted either and I'm movin' on.

As far as the two entities mentioned, the only time I ever ate at a sonic it was 36 hours and a whole package of imodium before I could go farther than 3 steps from the bathroom so I'm done with them anyway. I've eaten at Chili's before but it ain't my kind of place. Too noisy. Screaming kids, blaring rock music and poor service. I won't miss it.

 

[RonJ]

Your description of Chilli's sounds to me like you might have walked into a Texas Roadhouse!

 

[pharmer]

Florida (at least around here) is about as gun friendly as you can get. Carrying an AR15 slung over your shoulder will get a "response." As in SWAT. No point in scaring the sheep. Joe

 

[walkin jack]

Your description of Chilli's sounds to me like you might have walked into a Texas Roadhouse!

Actually the one we go to is pretty noisey but those 8 oz fillets are so tender and juicy I'm happy to put up with the noise. You can literally cut a 2" fillet with your fork and don't even need a knife.

They keep small aluminum bucket on the table full of peanuts salted in the shell and they surely do make a couple of Shiner Bocks go down good while you wait for your meal.

My complaint with them is that they discontinues their "Blazin' Saddles" beans. They were excellent with the steak and the beer. Every time I'm in there now I raise hell about it. The waiters all tell me to keep the pressure on and we may see them return.

 

[WuzzFuzz]

FLASH.. It must be true, I just read it on the INTERNET this evening,,,Sonic held up on Friday, Oklahoma City just hours after it was announced it was now a gun free zone...

Two car hops were held up...No weapons shown, according to the news report..


WuzzFuzz

P.S. No word yet if Sonic will now issue flak jackets to car hops


Woops, I went back and read some of the posts...SaxonPig beat me to it, posting about the hold up in OKC.....I guess I better sign up for HIGH SPEED INTERNET, to get the news quicker

 

[bhayles]

Faulkner: As a private citizen, you do have the right to select where to spend your money. However as a BUSINESS, you are open to the public. And with that comes the obligation to serve anyone. Any color, any ethnic group, any religion and so on.

Let's say your 17 year old daughter's car breaks down in a rural area on her way home from college at 9PM. She is 2 hours away. The only tow truck operator in town shows up and says. "I'm not towing any **** daughter" and drives away.

Substitute **** with your favorite racial or ethnic slur. Or even the word pig. Maybe the tow truck driver is a LEO hater.
How do you feel now about selective serving of the public???

Your last sentence is spot on and I agree. But the days of signs saying "whites only", " No Irish" are done.

Gordon, you are sadly mistaken on what the law says.

Cewrtain groups are protected from being denied service. You cannot refuse service based on race, sex, ethnicity, religion, handicap, or sexual orientation. That's it.

A business owner CAN refuse service on anything else...for example he/she can refuse to serve people with blonde hair, or that wear striped tops with checked pants (I agree...those people need to be executed), women who wear white before Memorial Day...and people carrying guns.

To be more plain, if a black guy who is carrying argues when a business owner tells him to leave, if he is told to leave because he is black, the business owner will lose his business in the law suit. On tyhe other hand if he refuses to leave when asked because he is packing, he'll get removed by the police for trespass.

 

[WuzzFuzz]

Bob,

In defense of Gordon, I believe he did concur in one of his posts, that a business can refuse service, but not discriminate based upon sex, age, race etc....


WuzzFuzz

 

[ColumbusJBR]

These ding dongs that show up in large groups with rifles slung at crowded restaurants are not doing any favors for the other side's perception of sensible gun owners and carriers. I don't blame management at all for making these policy changes. Tell me the upside of allowing Bubba and his wild bunch to hold a open carry rally in your restaurant. I'll wait....

Fact is, this is a non-issue to those of us who carry CONCEALED. Keep it covered, enjoy your tots, and move on with your day

 

[rojodiablo]

The day Sonic announced their no guns policy an outlet in Kansas City was robbed at gunpoint. I guess the criminals still don't obey signs, corporate policy or the law, eh?

On the one hand wearing an AR15 on your back seems excessive. I could do without it. On the other hand if we are going to make a point that guns are not evil, you have to get used to such a site. It's common in Israel, and nobody freaks out.

It's also common for bombs to be detonated in just about any place you can imagine from time to time in Israel, and when you hit the outskirts of town, it's not that uncommon to get rocks thrown at you by kids who are STILL bent out of shape from David slinging one good rock 2,000 years ago.....
Israel is a beautiful place, but rockets fall out of the sky with alarming frequency....... But you're right, people don't freak out much about it. They tend to use common sense more than the populace of our major cities, and are in a very strange position, all the time. Not so sure it would work out as well here!!!