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Individually and together, the best we can.
Individually and together, the best we can.
SHE IS LOST!
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gman51
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I have a neighbor girl that is starting her freshman year in high school and I can't imagine what this country will be like when she graduates in 2021. I sure hope it will be better than it is now.
Pretty sure the OP's statement, and most of the subsequent posts, has been made about every 20 years since the beginning of time. In before the lock . . .
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I agree with 99% of the posts here with the one exception of a VERY childish remark made about an unnamed famous person. I dont watch the news anymore--and am thoroughy fine with watching season 3 of: The Untouchables for my entertainment.
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When I grew up Pluto was a Disney character and a Planet. Now some guy spent years looking through a telescope to figure out Pluto was a planet. Along comes an idiot scientist, Mike Tyson DeGrassy and declares that Pluto isn't a planet, it's too small! Well I say xxxx you Mike Tyson DeGrassy. Who are you to demote a planet? I say it is a planet and I'll go to my grave believing it is. So, Mike Tyson DeGrassy, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
I have faith in the young sailors and marines I knew and was privileged to lead. I have faith in the young soldiers, airman and coasties I worked with. While they represent a small percentage of our youth, I still have faith in thier generation. I have faith in this country and the People of this country to, in the end, recognize the course we need to take and stear it. I have faith that in the end, we as a people will do the right thing. I get annoyed with the current political climate, confused too, and sometime get discouraged but look at my three adult children ( my daughter, step son and step daughter) and take heart. If the rest of thier generation is like them, we'll be in good hands.
Keep the faith Shipmates.
Keep the faith Shipmates.
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chaparrito
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I have been a teacher, principal and consultant to schools for over 35 years and have never known a single teacher who "indoctrinated" students with "utopian" ideals and the other nonsense spewed in this thread about schools.
Those of you who feel this way, please let me know where those schools are, I'd love to visit.
What HAS changed, is the over-eager willingness to BLAME schools and teachers for everything. At least half the parents I have to deal with on middle school behavior issues come in with the attitude "What did someone (often a teacher) DO to my poor child to make him act out?"
Most of us here can remember a time when you got in trouble at school you got it again in spades when you got home.
Not any more.
Those of you who feel this way, please let me know where those schools are, I'd love to visit.
What HAS changed, is the over-eager willingness to BLAME schools and teachers for everything. At least half the parents I have to deal with on middle school behavior issues come in with the attitude "What did someone (often a teacher) DO to my poor child to make him act out?"
Most of us here can remember a time when you got in trouble at school you got it again in spades when you got home.
Not any more.
On the face of it, it is obvious that this country is at a low point. I think there a couple of causes. After a time a lot of American people have grown complacent and most are too young to have any memory of all the bad times and all the good people that made the ultimate sacrifice so that we could be a free people and to insure that we can remain free. I feel like that as a nation some have become spoiled and feel like they are OWED their life style.
We have also become a very divided nation, politically and in many social areas.
It looks like things are getting worse and they may be. I'm afraid that a lot of Americans are convinced that we have gone too far; past the point of no return.
BUT:
Not me! I believe that we are still a strong, resilient, and and resourceful people. I believe that we now have the leadership to turn things around and begin a long overdue healing process. I believe that we still have the resolve and the heart and the strength to get it done and the forbearance and patience to get it done.
I believe that main stream America is still decent and in touch with the morals and values that our forefathers based the principals of our constitution on.
I believe in: NEVER BACK DOWN, NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER QUIT!
We have also become a very divided nation, politically and in many social areas.
It looks like things are getting worse and they may be. I'm afraid that a lot of Americans are convinced that we have gone too far; past the point of no return.
BUT:
Not me! I believe that we are still a strong, resilient, and and resourceful people. I believe that we now have the leadership to turn things around and begin a long overdue healing process. I believe that we still have the resolve and the heart and the strength to get it done and the forbearance and patience to get it done.
I believe that main stream America is still decent and in touch with the morals and values that our forefathers based the principals of our constitution on.
I believe in: NEVER BACK DOWN, NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER QUIT!
No sense in being nostalgic on the good old days as they weren't all so good. Each decade has its issues and struggles, in my adult life time is has been the turmoils of the 60's, (1968 makes the current issues tame in comparison) then the oil embargo and economic struggles of of the 70's (remember the 18% interest rates and 10% unemployment), aids and crack epidemic of the 80's and on through the current wars and other social issues.
The American people always come through because as a collective we the people are better than our leaders.
The American people always come through because as a collective we the people are better than our leaders.
I'm not sure what goes on in the military today but judging from the comments of some military people in leadership roles in the administration and chiefs of staff I'm convinced that we are in good hands.
Some of the most dedicated and honorable individuals I've had the privilege to know were my shipmates when I was in the Navy. Although I enlisted during Vietnam while there was still a draft I did know some slackers, I admit. But on the whole the leadership was sound and committed to a high standard.
We absolutely need more people with those same high standards in politics. McMaster, Kelly and Mattis all have the qualities to lead. Personally, I think all presidential candidates should be required to have some military service. JMHO.
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I started this post because of how I feel. I don't believe that we have gone past the point of no return but by God there are some of us who are trying to make it happen!
How many of you have done any kind of volunteering? Maybe a volunteer fireman, a nursing home volunteer, help build a home for a Vet, or any number of things. I have tried to give back what I have received. I volunteered to join the Navy, was a volunteer firefighter and EMT, helped build a home for a disabled veteran. But is that enough?
When I go out with my greatest friend, my wife to lunch or dinner and I spot a veteran with a hat on I shake their hand and buy their lunch or meal. Not because I feel that I have to, but because they deserve it!! Have you? How many people have you seen do this? Not many? Why?
I would bet my life that we can change how we treat each other. If tomorrow you were to do 2 things for 2 different strangers and asked them to do the same, anything from a simple meal to buy a homeless person lunch to saying something nice to a stranger I believe we can turn our country back around to the one I remember!! She may be lost but we can find her!!!
By the way my wife was a 1st grade schoolteacher for 40 years. So don't rag on the teachers! Try blaming the parents!!
How many of you have done any kind of volunteering? Maybe a volunteer fireman, a nursing home volunteer, help build a home for a Vet, or any number of things. I have tried to give back what I have received. I volunteered to join the Navy, was a volunteer firefighter and EMT, helped build a home for a disabled veteran. But is that enough?
When I go out with my greatest friend, my wife to lunch or dinner and I spot a veteran with a hat on I shake their hand and buy their lunch or meal. Not because I feel that I have to, but because they deserve it!! Have you? How many people have you seen do this? Not many? Why?
I would bet my life that we can change how we treat each other. If tomorrow you were to do 2 things for 2 different strangers and asked them to do the same, anything from a simple meal to buy a homeless person lunch to saying something nice to a stranger I believe we can turn our country back around to the one I remember!! She may be lost but we can find her!!!
By the way my wife was a 1st grade schoolteacher for 40 years. So don't rag on the teachers! Try blaming the parents!!
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ChattanoogaPhil
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And this is what we have left them... 20 trillion in debt, hundreds of trillions in unfunded mandates, open borders allowing millions of third world illiterates and narcotics to stream in, gutted our manufacturing base and sent it abroad, dysfnctional schooling, never ending wars and endless nation building that builds nothing... on and on.
Really, they have no choice but to do better than the generations preceding them. They simply won't have the luxury of being so foolish and reckless as our generation has been.
Arik
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Well said.
I wouldn't doubt if if your parents thought the same thing and their parents and their parents...
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chaparrito
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A portion of a dialog on the degradation of democratic society and its youth, and the abandonement parental responsibility. From Plato's Republic, written around 300 years before Christ:
Freedom, I replied. Don't you indeed hear it said that, in a democratic city, [562c] it has the fairest share and that, for this reason, only in such a place is it fit that dwell who is by nature free.
You hear indeed, said he, that saying all over the place.
Well then, said I, as I was just now about to say, the insatiable desire of it and the indifference toward everything else is precisely what makes this constitution change and prepares it to stand in need of tyranny.
How ? said he.
When, methinks, a democratic city thirsty for freedom [562d] happens to fall under the leadership of bad cupbearers and becomes intoxicated for having drunk far more of it unmixed than is reasonable, if its rulers are not wholly mild and don't grant it a lot of freedom, it chastises those deemed responsible, as stained and oligarchic.
They indeed behave, said he, this way.
And those, I replied, obedient to the leaders it bespatters with mud as willing slaves and nil beings, while it praises and honors leaders who are led and led who lead all the same in private as well as public matters. Isn't it necessary in such [562e] a city that to all come the thirst for freeedom ?
How not ?
And that it pervades, said I, my dear, the privacy of homes and that in the end anarchy get implanted even into beasts ?
How, said he, do you mean that ?
In that, I said, the father accustoms himself to become like his child and fears his sons, while the son likens himself to his father, and feels neither shame nor fear in front of his parents, so he may be free ; the metic [563a] becomes the equal of a citizen and the citizen of a metic, and similarly with the foreigner.
It indeed so happens, he said.
To these, said I, such trifles do add up: the teacher, in such a case, fears his pupils and fawns upon them, while pupils have in low esteem their teachers as well as their overseers; and, overall, the young copy the elders and contend hotly with them in words and in deeds, while the elders, lowering themselves to the level of the young, sate themselves with pleasantries [563b] and wit, mimicking the young in order not to look unpleasant and despotic.
Freedom, I replied. Don't you indeed hear it said that, in a democratic city, [562c] it has the fairest share and that, for this reason, only in such a place is it fit that dwell who is by nature free.
You hear indeed, said he, that saying all over the place.
Well then, said I, as I was just now about to say, the insatiable desire of it and the indifference toward everything else is precisely what makes this constitution change and prepares it to stand in need of tyranny.
How ? said he.
When, methinks, a democratic city thirsty for freedom [562d] happens to fall under the leadership of bad cupbearers and becomes intoxicated for having drunk far more of it unmixed than is reasonable, if its rulers are not wholly mild and don't grant it a lot of freedom, it chastises those deemed responsible, as stained and oligarchic.
They indeed behave, said he, this way.
And those, I replied, obedient to the leaders it bespatters with mud as willing slaves and nil beings, while it praises and honors leaders who are led and led who lead all the same in private as well as public matters. Isn't it necessary in such [562e] a city that to all come the thirst for freeedom ?
How not ?
And that it pervades, said I, my dear, the privacy of homes and that in the end anarchy get implanted even into beasts ?
How, said he, do you mean that ?
In that, I said, the father accustoms himself to become like his child and fears his sons, while the son likens himself to his father, and feels neither shame nor fear in front of his parents, so he may be free ; the metic [563a] becomes the equal of a citizen and the citizen of a metic, and similarly with the foreigner.
It indeed so happens, he said.
To these, said I, such trifles do add up: the teacher, in such a case, fears his pupils and fawns upon them, while pupils have in low esteem their teachers as well as their overseers; and, overall, the young copy the elders and contend hotly with them in words and in deeds, while the elders, lowering themselves to the level of the young, sate themselves with pleasantries [563b] and wit, mimicking the young in order not to look unpleasant and despotic.
I don't think changing the state name is going to help. Every time someone says it, someone else is going to say " Bless you "I agree. I live in Framingham, Massachusetts which is in Middlesex county.
There are rumblings that the PETA folks want to change the name to just FRAMING because having ham in the name is degrading to pigs. Massachusetts will become ACHUSETTS because MASS is a religious term used by Catholics and the atheists feel that it is degrading to them. Middlesex will become MIDDLE because the supporters of abstinence feel that sex is degrading to them.
So from now on you will have to write to me in Middle County, Framing, Ascusetts.
I consider myself a Patriot. I am a military retiree and a Viet Nam Purple Heart Recipient. I am so saddened at the turmoil that our Great Nation is undergoing that I could cry.
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Yes, very true, however within the last several days, history is being removed. "They are changing what happened" so people will forget. Reality is being altered! Out of sight out of mind, How many other things and places will need to be forgotten?? Books will need to be rewritten
Soon Counties, Cities, Towns, Streets will "have" to be renamed,
No need to go further than "Yes very true".
See the polling results below.
Now you can bet this was skewed as best they could to favor the pro-tear-em-down kooks, and you can bet there were a whole bunch of people who said ok remove em just to be PC, and of course young idealists who haven't yet matured to understand how deep history runs in American families. Still, they could only find 27% favoring the removal of statues.
While tearing down statues may be the current fad du jour, I think it's a big loser for city/county officials who make these decisions. We'll see...
According to an NPR/PBS Newshour/Marist poll, which was conducted among 1,125 U.S. citizens by phone Aug. 14-15, the overwhelming majority — 62 percent — want the monuments to remain while a much smaller share of Americans — 27 percent — want them removed.
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