Shield 40 sights way off

I concur there is nothing wrong with that rear sight....Being a hair off is not going to cause you to shoot 6" off at 25 feet unless there is a severe shooter issue.

I am surprised with all these posts, not one person asked to see what the front sight looked like. If it is not a shooter problem (rear sight is centered just fine)....it is the front sight that is off center.

I bought two Shields this past weekend and on one of them the front sight was noticably off center...the rear sight was off center as well to the point that you could make out the edge of the striker block channel in the slide. A simple sight pusher fixed that problem.
 
I shot left with my shield until my 3rd range trip. Now, I am GTG. It was my not the sights.
 
I am surprised with all these posts, not one person asked to see what the front sight looked like. If it is not a shooter problem (rear sight is centered just fine)....it is the front sight that is off center.


You may have missed it but posts #35-#37 addressed his front sights. Very valid point though.
 
M&P Sheild

I to bought a M&P Sheild that shoots left and low.
Im discouraged but want to get it right. I could not budge the rear sights. I didnt want to but am going to take it to the shop or try and trade it in at Buds Guns. Very discouraged. I have to shoot straight otherwise whats the sense?
Hezekiah
 
Kudos to you for searching the forum posts for information on the problem. But in this case, I'm afraid you've opened a can of worms!
Many of the forum members seem dyslexic when it comes to understanding instructions or directions.
S&W Does not recommend moving the rear sight on the Shield! However if you insist on adjusting the rear sight, to correct shot placement; You move the rear sight in the direction you want the bullet to go...if you're shooting left, move rear sight right.
The general consensus is, shooters error. Either from the anticipation of the recoil, poor stance, grip, or inexperience in shooting. If the problem is with the firearm, The front sight is likely to blame. I would suggest trying to move it instead of the rear sight. (The rear sight has very limited latitude for adjustment!)
 
OH MY GOD!!!
What a thread! The extremes of misunderstanding and expertise all in one place!
RULE - FACT - REALITY: No matter what some half-brained S&W customer disservice idiot tells you over the phone or some well-meaning but hopelessly uninformed forum participant writes, THESE ARE SOME ACTUAL RULES FOR SHIELD FACTORY SIGHT ADJUSTMENTS:
1. Looking at gun from REAR (which is the shooter's view), always move the REAR sight in the direction you want the group to move and always move the FRONT sight in the OPPOSITE direction you want the group to move.
2. ALL Shield REAR sights are NOT MEANT TO BE ADJUSTED and that's why they are so wide as to FILL the dovetail! READ YOUR DAMNED MANUALS before you start giving bad advice or ruining the integrity of your gun.
3. ALL Shield FRONT sights ARE adjustable. That's why there is so much room in the front dovetail compared to the width of the sight base.
4. ALL Shields are designed to be sighted or zeroed at 25 YARDS!!! That's 75 FEET!!! NOT 5 feet or 6 FEET or 7 YARDS or anything else!!! Therefore, anyone who adjusts their sights at closer distances is destroying the integrity of their gun (or maybe has a unique, individual reason for doing so).
5. All commercially manufactured American ammo for 9mm, 40S&W and 45ACP handguns is specified at the SAME 25 YARDS!!! That may be your clue as to why all handgun sights are designed to be zeroed at 25 YARDS...You Think???
6. And, what I think is CRITICALLY important about all sight adjustments by a shooter on ANY gun, is: if you have to move your sights more than a few thousandths of an inch to correct group placement EITHER it's YOU or you have a bad gun or ammo!
7. Last, the most important control factor in adjusting handgun sights is to shoot at 25 yards from a STABLE and REPEATABLE bench rest!!! No human hands can provide that (except for maybe Jerry Miculek, who none of us are). A Ransom Rest is the ONLY such device I am familiar with that is totally stable and provides for absolute repeatability from shot to shot so you REALLY know where the gun/ammo is shooting. ALL OTHER DEVISES introduce an element of error, especially repeatability error, so sandbags, bench rests and Bubba will provide you with inconclusive results. Not many of us could afford or justify a Ransom Rest so we do the best we can and hope for the best, I know.

Now, as to S&W's lousy quality control, sloppy assembly, shipment of defective and dysfunctional Shields, and idiotic customer disservice, just read some of the threads in this forum for the past 5 years and you'll have no doubt that it happens.

Could you have a bad Shield 40? Yes. Could it be your own shooter-induced error? Yes. How can you tell? As has been posted so many times here and elsewhere, let a more experienced shooter fire your Shield and see what happens. In MOST cases, the gun will group much differently than when you fire it. What do you do then? PRACTICE - PRACTICE - PRACTICE.

Now, it would be unfair and just plain wrong for me to imply that no shooter is qualified to adjust his sights. Many are. But, a complete understanding of the Basic Rules for Sight Adjustment and your operator's manual is important before you start or you'll just make matters worse.

If all else fails, and only then, send it back to the factory or find a highly qualified gunsmith to examine your Shield. (Is there any such thing as a highly-qualified gunsmith any more? Most are just parts changers nowadays.)

My GOD. Forgive me for my early morning, 3 cups of coffee rant, but threads like this suggest to me that too many new gun owners are getting their hands on too many new guns while lacking BASIC understanding of gun ownership, operation and maintenance. :confused: :eek:

Sorry if I offended anyone but that's life. Grow a set. :D
 
Move your rear sight in the direction you want your group to go.

That is , if you want your group to go Right ,, Move your rear sight to the Right.

If you want your group to go UP , move your rear sight UP.

And if you are somewhat of a new shooter and your groups are going left / low left
you are probably right handed.
 
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If you would like to see an absolutely hilarious video on the way to adjust the sights on a S&W M&P, check out this one!
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wv5bRwZNCo[/ame]
 
Love it....necessity is the mother of invention when it comes to sight adjustment "tools".
 
Nonothin is correct....read the manual. Windage adjustments on a Shield pistol are supposed to be made by drifting the front sight.
 
That is so dumb. If you move the stick to the left that moves the front sight to the right. It you move the stick to the right it moves the front to the left.

edit: remember the middle does not move so if the rear moves to the right the front has to move left.
No the front is the pivot point. It does not move
 
the confusion here seems to be the difference between where the gun is hitting in reference to your POA(center of target) and which way you want the impact to change. You are hitting left with sights aligned to center of target. You want to move impact to the right. If you move the front sight to the left then align the sights to center of target the bore will be pointing slightly to the right of where it was before you moved the sight. I haven't removed a Shield rear sight completely but remember that little striker block under the rear sight that needs to move up to clear the striker? I'm guessing that the striker block pops up in a little recess under the rear sight and if you move the sight either way the striker block will not pop up properly cuz you moved the spot it needs to pop up into, hence the reason Smith and Wesson says clearly that windage adjustments should be made on the front sight. And these guys are right if you are going to do sight adjustments it should be done at 25 yards....but if you can't keep all your rounds in a pie plate at 25yds theres no point in adjusting sights cause you arent shooting consistently enough for a sight adjustments to matter.
 
just watched the video in post #50....i guess i better stop adjusting sights till i get the correct size frying pan/hammer....hahaha
 
It's super easy to loosen the screw on the rear sight and move it to the right a few thousands of an inch to bring the sights back on.

And I haven't lost a paint dot on an M&P yet, but I have dug them out and replaced them with fishing jig fluorescent paint for better visibility.

Seems a shame to send it back and be without your gun for two weeks when you could have resolved the issue in about two minutes.

But if it's the principal of the thing I understand.

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Exactly. And don't take the guy's laughter to heart.......he's just a big fish in a small pond...much more(and helpful) info here. :rolleyes:

Most Shields CRAVE an Apex upgrade......and a few shots with a "trigger" target. Free somewhere around this place.....

printable pistol training targets - Google Search
 
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