Shield out of battery - time to revisit this issue
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OpsMgr
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And just what do you base that statement on?
feelinlucky
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Not true. Any firearm can require a break-in.
Stratajema
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Well made striker fire guns do not require a break-in period. If a striker fire gun needs a break-in period, then it is poorly made. (e.g. suffers from the stacking of tolerances during manufacturing or poor quality control measures)
1911 guns have a different design and require a break-in period.
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JNewell
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Sorry, that's nonsense. Example: many all-metal Kahrs definitely require a break-in period, and are clearly not "poorly made."
You are kidding right?
I hope so at least.
As engineering and manufacturing tolerances get tighter, the need for a break in period increases it does not decrease. Tight guns need more break in than loose guns.
There is nothing magic about a 1911 or hammer fired handgun that changes the requirements for a break in compared to a striker fired weapon.
You can pull an original military issue 1911 out of the box and its sloppy as hell compared to a M&P. It will shoot just fine out of the box.
Modern CNC machined 1911s need break in because they are tight not because they are 1911s.
When I first qualified with the 1911, we cleaned them by field striping all the guns, dumping all the parts into the same pan of solvent with no regard to which part went on which gun. Once they were clean we put them back together with with whatever part we grabbed first. As long as all the guns got put back together and passed the function test all was good.
By your standard, all the 1911s would have needed to be broken in again before we could carry them.
Breaking in a gun is the process of the gun parts lapping themselves to each other. The tighter the gun, the more break in needed.
OpsMgr
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Your stating this for second time is laughable. Some of the nonsense posted on the interwebz never ceases to amaze me.
Again, what in the wide world of sports are you basing your statement on???
I'm happy to announce, that S&W replaced half of my Shield to correct OOB and slide was not locking open after last round. both problems were corrected.
Parts replaced:
striker britt rev c.
Slide M&P 9mm slim
9 mm BBL Slim (any one knows what is this????)
shield recoil guide rod
takedown latch shield
locking block shield rev b
mag catch shield rev. b
S.H.B. Shield mim rev a (what is this????)
trigger bar rev a
Shield frame ship kit
manual safety rev. B
front sight shield MIM rev B
thanks S&W!
Parts replaced:
striker britt rev c.
Slide M&P 9mm slim
9 mm BBL Slim (any one knows what is this????)
shield recoil guide rod
takedown latch shield
locking block shield rev b
mag catch shield rev. b
S.H.B. Shield mim rev a (what is this????)
trigger bar rev a
Shield frame ship kit
manual safety rev. B
front sight shield MIM rev B
thanks S&W!
Ed911
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Man, what a great idea...since I don't use a holster...this will work great for me. Where do I get a good large rubber band. Thanks.
Well, maybe not, but funny as hell...lol...good one.
Ed
Good news or bad one first?
Full mag does not change anything until a round is loaded to barrel, so it still has OOB
Good news or bad one first?
Full mag does not change anything until a round is loaded to barrel, so it still has OOB
And maybe, just maybe, it's still not an actual "problem" as long as it's only something that happens when you intentionally try to make it happen.
All the out-of-battery checks I've ever been taught in armorer classes involve doing it with an empty chamber, looking to check for intended disconnect function, not using dummy rounds to see if extractor friction can cause it when SLOWLY (improperly) checking for FEEDING & LOCKING. Such feeding checks with dummy rounds are done at the "normal" speed, meaning letting the slide run forward so proper "timing" occurs.
It worries me about having a slide/barrel pushed out-of-battery by contact about as much as it worries me to have a cylinder stopped in its rotation during a DA/DAO trigger press by someone grabbing it.
I make sure it doesn't happen during proper holstering, and then I don't worry about it happening at some other time.
FWIW, I can still MAKE this sort of thing happen with some different pistols, if I try and MAKE it happen, and all of the guns are in normal tolerance and good condition. I don't worry about them being pushed out-of-battery when carrying them, either.
On the plus side of things, if the slide wasn't locking back on an empty magazine, and it is now, that's good. It also sounds like they tried to make a customer happy by essentially rebuilding the gun with the latest revisions of almost all of the parts & assemblies (except for the serial numbered frame
).Lucky you.
Fastbolt, I do not worry this (non)issue anymore. just thought for a moment it was fixed
Oh, okay.
Don't be surprised if that Shield, over time and normal wear, eventually acts differently.
I UNDESTAND THAT. I had about 6000 rounds thru in about 1 year before the guns started "acting". not sure if this is "normal" wear for such compact pistol that after 6000 it required some repair... to be fair to S&W I shot only 124gr NATO, 124 gr +P or 147gr P. which probably added additional wear to the Shield.
Thanks
