Shield recall

[Smitty357]

If the testing is correct, and this is not something that could show up after more rounds going through it, Then My My 9 is good. 4/19/2013 test fire date. Guess it is something to periodically check from time to time

I highly doubt its something that could show up at a later date. Since this is a "safety" issue and if it were likely to happen later on. S&W would have done a complete recall on all Shields. Just to cover the possibilities of an accident later on. In this case, if its not a problem now. Then i dont think they see it being a problem later.

 

[fallhunter]

Go to the S&W website, look at the recall notice and inspect your pistol the way they show you how to in the notice. Mine doesn't need to go back. Yours might. Problem solved.

On mine, that little trigger piece does not swing at all. Its in a static position flush with the trigger. Has been since it came out of the box.

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[Smitty357]

The guy that called me said it was a recall. I wish the Springfield XDs came in a .40, then I could just off load this should.

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The guy u spoke to can't read (he must own a Springfield, cough cough). It would be hard for me to take advice from him.

It clearly says SAFETY ALERT.

 

[Rastoff]

see here's the thing, there's lots of people like you who would rather believe what you just know to be true than to listen to reason and data and come to an educated conclusion.

I was once like you and thought the trigger safety was there for show. Then I listened to reason and can understand the value of it.

You say, or at least imply, that it will take at least 22g's of force for the gun to fire. I agree that it will take that much. Then you state that it is impossible to generate that much force without destroying the pistol. That's not correct.

Without doing any actual math, because you seem opposed to it, anyone can see that an object striking a solid object after a free fall will generate more than 1g. The formula, F=ma, should tell you that right off. Because, the mass of the object is measured while at rest. Therefore, any motion at all, which is the acceleration part, is a multiplier. So, it's not difficult to see that a falling object can generate more than 100g's when dropped.

This is that "reason and data" part you're accusing us of not using. I think you should do the math. You'll see what I'm saying is reasonable.

 

[Rastoff]

The guy that called me said it was a recall. I wish the Springfield XDs came in a .40, then I could just off load this should.

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Who called you? Somebody from S&W or someone else?

 

[fallhunter]

Who called you? Somebody from S&W or someone else?

The dealer I got it from.

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[Steve89052]

My only question is if you owned a Shield that was flawed by this safety issue and you didn't subscribe to this forum, would S&W notify you, "or"....?

 

[Bchild]

My only question is if you owned a Shield that was flawed by this safety issue and you didn't subscribe to this forum, would S&W notify you, "or"....?

This is actually a good question. If you registered your Shield with S&W they have you mailing and email address. I would be a little disappointed if I don't get at least an email from them stating the issue and how to resolve it.

I understand that the number of Shield's that went out before that may have this issue is vast. However, S&W themselves stated that this could cause an accidental discharge.

If a S&W defect can cause a death I want to know about it. I shouldn't have to subscribe to a forum to be informed about this. Of course this is just MHO.

 

[MichiganScott]

Why do we need so many threads on the same subject?

Because nobody has had the white dot fall off the front sight this week.

 

[remo]

If it was glock it would have been call a trigger upgrade and not a safety alert.

 

[wildenout]

Its not a Recall. Its a Safety Alert. Can u not read?

Anyone want to bet this guy owns an Springfield, lol

What of it? I like how the XD felt in my hand and I could group my shots with it. I didn't mind the Shield, it just didn't fit right and in the past I was burnt by the BG .380 so I have a bad taste in my mouth for S&W semi-autos. Looking back over the print, you're right I guess I didn't read it close enough. I stand by what I said though, my 686 is a hulluva machine!

 

[nickel plate]

We were just sitting down for dinner last night and the phone rings, it's one of the employees from PRK Arms, Visalia, where I bought my 9mm Shield earlier this year. He then informs me of the S&W Safety Alert regarding the Shield's trigger and wants me to bring it in for an inspection. I told him that I have already found the trigger to be not faulty as per the posted instructions but he again offers up the in store inspection so I then conclude that two positive verifications are better than one so I made the appointment.
Thank you PRK Arms for your swift communication in this matter and I hope all other gun shops are doing the same thing for their Shield owning customers.

 

[unbrkn]

This thread reminds me of Christmas dinner, everyone arguing over something so simple and in plain sight, yet no one will win. S&W Shield issue, test yours, does it not work? Here is how we're going to fix it, thanks. How hard is that guys?

 

[S&WForty]

Without doing any actual math, because you seem opposed to it, anyone can see that an object striking a solid object after a free fall will generate more than 1g. The formula, F=ma, should tell you that right off. Because, the mass of the object is measured while at rest. Therefore, any motion at all, which is the acceleration part, is a multiplier. So, it's not difficult to see that a falling object can generate more than 100g's when dropped.

Mass is constant. Acceleration due to gravity is constant. Only velocity is changing thanks to the (constant) rate of acceleration.

Momentum is what increases with velocity. (Momentum = mass x velocity)

The object hits the ground/etc with more momentum. But the literal force is constant and defined by its mass x (constant) acceleration due to gravity.

 

[fallhunter]

Has anyone heard a 40 fail? So far everything I've seen shows only 9's failing

My .40 is failing.

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[crandlewi]

Math

Not so. An object in free fall due to the acceleration of gravity will never exceed 1g. G forces must be generated by an outside force in addition to gravity.

The math based on Motomed's assumption that the trigger assy weights 100 grams and a trigger pull of 5.5 lbs would be:
100 g = .1Kg
5.5 lbs = 24.465 N
acceleration required = (24.465N=.1Kg x a)
therefore a=244.65 M/sec sq
g's = 244.65 / 9.8 = 25 g's

You would have to drop or throw down your piston at 25 times the acceleration due to gravity to overcome the trigger pull required force.

I was once like you and thought the trigger safety was there for show. Then I listened to reason and can understand the value of it.

You say, or at least imply, that it will take at least 22g's of force for the gun to fire. I agree that it will take that much. Then you state that it is impossible to generate that much force without destroying the pistol. That's not correct.

Without doing any actual math, because you seem opposed to it, anyone can see that an object striking a solid object after a free fall will generate more than 1g. The formula, F=ma, should tell you that right off. Because, the mass of the object is measured while at rest. Therefore, any motion at all, which is the acceleration part, is a multiplier. So, it's not difficult to see that a falling object can generate more than 100g's when dropped.

This is that "reason and data" part you're accusing us of not using. I think you should do the math. You'll see what I'm saying is reasonable.

 

[fallhunter]

Not so. An object in free fall due to the acceleration of gravity will never exceed 1g. G forces must be generated by an outside force in addition to gravity.

The math based on Motomed's assumption that the trigger assy weights 100 grams and a trigger pull of 5.5 lbs would be:
100 g = .1Kg
5.5 lbs = 24.465 N
acceleration required = (24.465N=.1Kg x a)
therefore a=244.65 M/sec sq
g's = 244.65 / 9.8 = 25 g's

You would have to drop or throw down your piston at 25 times the acceleration due to gravity to overcome the trigger pull required force.

So really its nothing to worry about. I won't be sending mine in at all. Not worth the time of not having it. I do sincerely wish I would have got an XDs instead of the shield as I had originally planned.

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[crandlewi]

Disclaimer

Disclaimer: The calculations shown are based upon assumptions and speculation of other forum members and may contain errors and not represent reality.

So really its nothing to worry about. I won't be sending mine in at all. Not worth the time of not having it. I do sincerely wish I would have got an XDs instead of the shield as I had originally planned.

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[RussC]

I think we need to hit the pause button.

The isolated faulty Shield trigger is like owning a very reliable truck with a bad radio.

I am not about to sell the reliable truck when the radio doesn't work nor am I going to switch brands based on the radio alone.

Russ

 

[S&WForty]

I think we need to hit the pause button.

The isolated faulty Shield trigger is like owning a very reliable truck with a bad radio.

I am not about to sell the reliable truck when the radio doesn't work nor am I going to switch brands based on the radio alone.

Russ

What he said. My SW99's didn't even come with "radios!"