Shockwave!

[BE Mike]

My FFL listed it a "other". I don't know the other choices there are on the form.

My dealer listed my Gatekeeper II as "other" as well. One thing that is confusing, is that under Indiana law (unless it has changed) shotguns with an 18" or longer barrel, sold with a pistol grip are considered handguns and can only be purchased by someone with an Indiana Handgun License and who is at least 21 years of age.

 

[Ozark Marine]

You can buy long guns all day long from an FFL and transport across state lines. It's pistols that are restricted. Since the Shockwave is neither, I'm not sure where it falls.

I've bought long guns out of state over the counter. It's private sales that aren't legal between residents of different states.

Looking at the box the Shockwaves come in there is a large white sticker that say's..............................

"The enclosed firearm is a pistol grip shotgun and is not designed to be fired from the shoulder.
This type of firearm can ONLY be transferred to a person who is 21 years of age and a resident of the state where the
licensee's place of business is located."

 

[Lee's Landing Billy]

The 3 that we got here from Asylum Armory came with paper that said they were to be listed on the FFLs transfer as PGO. Pistol Grip Only.

 

[BE Mike]

Here's my Gatekeeper II. It fits in the Voodoo scabbard with the Sidesaddle. The jury is still out about the scabbard. The quality is good, just like my other Voodoo rifle case. The sling is kinda awkward. I might need to play with it to get it to carry comfortably.

 

[Watchdog]

Looking at the box the Shockwaves come in there is a large white sticker that says...

"The enclosed firearm is a pistol grip shotgun and is not designed to be fired from the shoulder.
This type of firearm can ONLY be transferred to a person who is 21 years of age and a resident of the state where the
licensee's place of business is located."

Correct. I bought mine last weekend at a gun show. The first thing the seller asked me was, "Are you a resident of North Carolina?"

The second thing he asked me was, "Are you 21?" I reckon he must've been trying to flatter me, which wasn't necessary, since I'd already decided I would buy the thing.

Or maybe he was just being a smarty pants.

 

[Watchdog]

All I know is I stopped by one of my go to LGS's on Tuesday and asked about getting one after seeing it at Tulsa. Mine should be at the shop today or tomorrow. $430 out the door...

So did you buy it? $430 isn't bad. Mine was $416.23 out the door last Saturday. North Carolina's sales tax is 7%. The gun was marked at $389.

 

[Watchdog]

Well, since we're talking about the Shockwave (in what I believe is the third thread about it), I'll offer my impressions of the gun.

Overall, I like it. At only 5.25 pounds, it seems incredibly light compared to my Model 12 riot guns.

I was pleasantly surprised at the recoil and muzzle jump. It isn't near as bad as I'd imagined. Using 0000 Buckshot and #4s...2-3/4 shells.

There are two things I kinda don't like about the gun.

One is the (to me) strangely shaped slide release on the right behind the trigger guard. I don't understand why it's shaped like that, instead of just being a bit thicker and rounded off with maybe some grooves in it. It has a sort of sharp edge on it, a bit of a point if you hit it wrong.

The other thing is the tang safety. Now, I like tang safeties just fine, okay? And there'll be no doubt in your mind whatsoever when you're sliding it forward to release it...because it feels like Mossberg went out of their way to give its serrations uncomfortably sharp edges. It feels like I'm running my thumb over a coarse metal file or something. It's also a bit hard to disengage, but maybe that'll loosen up with use. I haven't fired it that much.

Regarding scabbards for the Shockwave. I view this gun as a home defense/self-defense weapon, so I see no need for a scabbard for myself. I don't envision taking it along hiking in the mountains or through the woods. I might consider taking it along in the car or truck, but not in any sort of a scabbard or case...I don't want to have to use one hand to hold the scabbard and the other hand to remove the gun from it. It's small enough to lay on the seat under a coat or something. I may add sling swivels...haven't decided yet. Will not be adding tacticool stuff like a rail or light or one of those sidesaddle things.

For anyone who's interested, you can click here to read the BATFE's letter to Mossberg. I plan on making copies of it for each vehicle, along with copies of the purchase receipt. And possibly reduced size copies to keep in my billfold.

And as Mossberg cautions, the BATFE letter applies only to federal regulations. Laws, regs, or ordinances pertaining to this type of weapon may vary state to state, or even county to county and city to city.

So for now, I'm pleased with the gun overall. It's replaced one of my Model 12 riot guns as the laying-on-the-bedside-table-gun. No point to including any photos with this post...you see one Shockwave, you've seen 'em all.

Oh yeah...all this is just my opinion, okay?

 

[Lee's Landing Billy]

Now see? That is what a review should sound like. No ranting, just insightful, thoughtful reporting. The 3 guns we got here are Asylum Armorys and the paperwork predates the Mossberg paperwork by almost 6 months. This is probably why the Shockers were so late shipping, waiting on their bona fides. Slide release is a bit hateful!

 

[BAM-BAM]

As I follow this thread ....... a question ...ok questions....... come to mind....................

bear with me as I'm not a shotgun guy............

If I understand correctly the Mossburg "Cruiser" shotguns can take both stocks and pistol grips..........

Is this Shockwave w/ it's "birdshead" grip unique and a full Model 500 stock can't be mounted ..............

can you use the shockwave grip on a 18" 500??????

So other than having a 14 vs a 18 inch barrel is there any other differences.

 

[JayFramer]

Well, since we're talking about the Shockwave (in what I believe is the third thread about it), I'll offer my impressions of the gun.

Overall, I like it. At only 5.25 pounds, it seems incredibly light compared to my Model 12 riot guns.

I was pleasantly surprised at the recoil and muzzle jump. It isn't near as bad as I'd imagined. Using 0000 Buckshot and #4s...2-3/4 shells.

There are two things I kinda don't like about the gun.

One is the (to me) strangely shaped slide release on the right behind the trigger guard. I don't understand why it's shaped like that, instead of just being a bit thicker and rounded off with maybe some grooves in it. It has a sort of sharp edge on it, a bit of a point if you hit it wrong.

The other thing is the tang safety. Now, I like tang safeties just fine, okay? And there'll be no doubt in your mind whatsoever when you're sliding it forward to release it...because it feels like Mossberg went out of their way to give its serrations uncomfortably sharp edges. It feels like I'm running my thumb over a coarse metal file or something. It's also a bit hard to disengage, but maybe that'll loosen up with use. I haven't fired it that much.

Regarding scabbards for the Shockwave. I view this gun as a home defense/self-defense weapon, so I see no need for a scabbard for myself. I don't envision taking it along hiking in the mountains or through the woods. I might consider taking it along in the car or truck, but not in any sort of a scabbard or case...I don't want to have to use one hand to hold the scabbard and the other hand to remove the gun from it. It's small enough to lay on the seat under a coat or something. I may add sling swivels...haven't decided yet. Will not be adding tacticool stuff like a rail or light or one of those sidesaddle things.

For anyone who's interested, you can click here to read the BATFE's letter to Mossberg. I plan on making copies of it for each vehicle, along with copies of the purchase receipt. And possibly reduced size copies to keep in my billfold.

And as Mossberg cautions, the BATFE letter applies only to federal regulations. Laws, regs, or ordinances pertaining to this type of weapon may vary state to state, or even county to county and city to city.

So for now, I'm pleased with the gun overall. It's replaced one of my Model 12 riot guns as the laying-on-the-bedside-table-gun. No point to including any photos with this post...you see one Shockwave, you've seen 'em all.

Oh yeah...all this is just my opinion, okay?

That's a great idea! I just printed the letter and plan to have it anytime I transport the shotgun or shoot it. I also have the original supplementary pamphlet that the gun came with. I plan to put the paperwork in a weatherproof document protector and keep it in the pocket of a gun case with the shotgun.

Anyone know where to find a small gun case for this shotgun?

 

[Watchdog]

The 3 guns we got here are Asylum Armorys and the paperwork predates the Mossberg paperwork by almost 6 months. This is probably why the Shockers were so late shipping, waiting on their bona fides.

This whole thing about the shipping times for the Shockwave has me baffled.

I'd placed a special order for one on January 28 with an LGS. When I bought the one at the gun show, I went to the LGS on Monday and cancelled my order. Got my deposit back, of course. The guy behind the counter talked with their buyer who said they expect them to arrive "any day now". Yeah, well, whatever. I didn't mention that I'd got one somewhere else, just cancelled my order.

But the things are all over the Internet, in stock here and there. And LGSs in the area have them in stock now...but not the LGS I ordered mine from. They still haven't received any. Mine came from a gun shop in a little town about a hundred miles from here.

And here's another thing. When I ordered mine, the out the door price was going to be $449 with tax and all, okay? Now this shop has upped the before-tax price to an astounding $599! Yes, you read that right...five hundred ninety-nine smackeroos, before any of the guns have even arrived. Now, to the best of my knowledge, Hell hasn't frozen over...nor has there been the slightest drop in temperature down there. But that'd have to happen before I'd pony up over six bills for a Shockwave, I guarandamntee you.

Oh...and before I forget:

I'd like to send out a big Thank You to fellow North Carolinian and forum member, Jim1392. He's the one who told me about the gun shop in the other town that had Shockwaves in stock. I called them and they told me they'd be set up at the gun show here last weekend and that they'd have some at the show. I got the last one. Guy told me they were flying out the shop's doors like they had wings. Said they sell so fast, they can't even keep track of their inventory...they have to go in the back and physically check to make sure they have any. So if it weren't for Jim1392, I'd probably still be waiting on mine...and paying a bunch more for it.

 

[Watchdog]

As I follow this thread ....... a question ...ok questions...come to mind...bear with me as I'm not a shotgun guy...

I'm not a shotgun guy, either. I don't know the answers to those questions...maybe someone will come along who does.

So other than having a 14 vs a 18 inch barrel is there any other differences.

Two things come to mind off the top of my head. With the shorter barrel comes less magazine capacity and its slight reduction in weight. I had a Mossberg 930SPX that held eight or nine shells and had an 18.5-inch barrel. It felt like I was carrying a 2x4 around. Sold it after about a month or so.

The other thing is, with a 4-inch shorter barrel, it might be faster to get into play than an 18- or 20-inch gun. Plus no shoulder stock. I can say with certainty that the Shockwave feels "handier" (for lack of a better term) than my 20-inch barrel Model 12s. It feels comfortable being carried with one hand as opposed to the larger gun seeming to require finding a balance point to carry it comfortably with just one hand.

 

[p8riot]

Built one of these back in January. Started with a Mossberg JIC 12GA, added the Shockwave grip, cut the barrel and mag tube, and installed the Shockwave lug. Total OAL = 26.5 inches. Non-NFA, because I used a PGO 12GA. Thinking about getting the Mossberg 92514 kit for a cleaner look.

 

[Muss Muggins]

So did you buy it? $430 isn't bad. Mine was $416.23 out the door last Saturday. North Carolina's sales tax is 7%. The gun was marked at $389.

I don't have it in hand yet, but I'm buying it when it arrives. Hopefully, tomorrow. The LGS owner I'm getting it from is a close friend . . .

 

[vipermd]

If you transfer in to WA, the state collects on the full sale price even if the seller is out of state. WA loses a lot of $ to online and out of state vendors because, well, the sales tax is too freaking high.

Mi also collects sales tax from an out of state transfer on firearms, suppressors, etc, sometimes people do not like it, but it is Mi lax. Be Safe,

 

[vipermd]

I might consider taking it along in the car or truck, but not in any sort of a scabbard or case...I don't want to have to use one hand to hold the scabbard and the other hand to remove the gun from it. It's small enough to lay on the seat under a coat or something.

In ATF's letter to Mossberg page 2 Sub heading background: the following quote : "Please note that if the subject firearm is concealed on a person, the classification with regard to NFA may change". Be Safe,

 

[vipermd]

If I understand correctly the Mossburg "Cruiser" shotguns can take both stocks and pistol grips.......... Cruiser /Persuader are "shotguns with a barrel minimum of 18 " and can use PG or stock- They are a shotgun.

Is this Shockwave w/ it's "birdshead" grip unique and a full Model 500 stock can't be mounted . It is not made to have a full stock on it, can a stock fit on it I do not know?

can you use the shockwave grip on a 18" 500?????? Yes you can get shockwave Raptor grip for your 590/500 , or Rem 870, and use it with 18" or longer barrel

So other than having a 14 vs a 18 inch barrel is there any other differences.

Yes the shockwave is made with a receiver that was designed to only have a pistol grip on it, never had a stock on it and therefore is a "firearm" under federal regulations, not a shotgun!

 

[vipermd]

Built one of these back in January. Started with a Mossberg JIC 12GA, added the Shockwave grip, cut the barrel and mag tube, and installed the Shockwave lug. Total OAL = 26.5 inches. Non-NFA, because I used a PGO 12GA. Thinking about getting the Mossberg 92514 kit for a cleaner look.

I am curios as to how you would prove it's a PGO receiver on a Friday evening? I am not trying to be trouble, merely trying to understand how you would prove it? Did you discuss with ATF? I was looking at Mossberg web site and their Model 500 JIC lists a LOP of 13.875. So if your SN# corresponds to item 51340 that is listed as having a stock. I realize persuader and cruisers may also have PG's and butt stock but are they PGO receivers. I do not know. Just mentioning it for you. Be Safe,
51340 12 6 18.5" Cylinder Bore Bead 13.875" Matte Blued Synthetic (Black) 28.75" 5.5

 

[Watchdog]

I might consider taking it along in the car or truck, but not in any sort of a scabbard or case...I don't want to have to use one hand to hold the scabbard and the other hand to remove the gun from it. It's small enough to lay on the seat under a coat or something.

In ATF's letter to Mossberg page 2 Sub heading background: the following quote : "Please note that if the subject firearm is concealed on a person, the classification with regard to NFA may change". Be Safe,

Well, I don't have any plans to conceal it on my person. But if carried in a vehicle, it'll most likely be concealed, although within easy reach.

 

[BE Mike]

Rural King has been selling the Mossy Shockwave for $349. They sell out pretty quickly, but it didn't take long for them to get more in. Mossberg 590 Shockwave 12 Gauge Pump Action Shotgun 50659 : RK Guns