Shooting a Model 29 4"

Slugs were an entirely different matter. It was found that the original Brenneke type slugs performed about the best and most consistently.

I prefer to have a rifle for such circumstances. A revolver on the hip is a great idea though.

My bear country rifle is a Remington 673 Guide Rifle in .350 Remington Magnum. It is built on the Model 7 action and launches a 250 grain Nolser Partition at 2,500+ fps. The big iron sights are designed for close-in acquisition of dangerous game. The old Model 600's are very popular with guides in bear country as well.

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I agree with most everything posted here. A 4" 629 for the stainless "weather and elements" issue (although the 29 is gorgeous in blue). Maybe use 44 Special loads, as previously stated, you're not going to rapid fire a 44 Magnum. If you've used up your 6 rounds, it's a really bad day that probably won't end well.

That being said, the suggestion of a 10mm Glock isn't a bad one. You're going to have to put one in the noggin' of a big bear, as you can put one right thru his heart and he will keep coming at you plenty long enough to kill you. So if rapid fire and spray-and-pray is your strategy, well, the 10mm isn't a bad suggestion.

Ultimately, a handgun is sort of a "last resort" and "convenience" defense weapon. Knowingly going into a dangerous situation with forethought...and only carrying a handgun...is not smart. It's not the movies. If you think it is likely to encounter bears, better have the aforementioned shotguns or rifles.
 
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I prefer to have a rifle for such circumstances. A revolver on the hip is a great idea though.

My bear country rifle is a Remington 673 Guide Rifle in .350 Remington Magnum. It is built on the Model 7 action and launches a 250 grain Nolser Partition at 2,500+ fps. The big iron sights are designed for close-in acquisition of dangerous game. The old Model 600's are very popular with guides in bear country as well.

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I almost bought one of them, and then Remington announced the CDL in 35 Whelen. Bingo! I had owned other whelens in the past and always regretted selling them. This one is here to stay. For general use on brownies though, my preference would be my 340 WBY or 404 Jeffery.:)
 
Get the S&W, forget the glock.

I have several in both SS and carbon, I carry a custom 3" 629-2 in bear country (California) and loaded with hard cast 265g @ 1200fps, there's no doubt in my mind it's plenty.
 
29's & Glocks

I acquired my first 4" 29 back in the early 80's....I carried it as a duty sidearm for some time.....loaded with mid range loads.
I also have a lot of trigger time with Glocks, both in the 40 and 10mm......the 10mm is my favorite pistol caliber..as much as I like the 10mm, I much prefer the 44 magnum as a woods gun.....I have been in big bear country several times over the past 40 years and have seen some humungus - really big bears......I had my 29 on my hip, and would only resort to shooting a big bear with one, if he was climbing up the tree that I had climbed to get away from him.....I competed in ISHMA with the 44 mag for years and have shot quite a bit of game (no bears) with a 44 magnum revolver..I have immense respect for it's power, accuracy and down range terminal ballistics....but it would have to be my last stand effort to engage a griz or a large brown bear with one. But as my grand dad would have said "it's better than a sharp stick".
When in big bear country I always had my Rem 700 8mm mag with me as well.
 
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Like I said, use slugs.

Or this. The 240 JHPs over 22 grains of 2200 clock 1950 FPS from the 16" barrel taking the 44 Magnum to a level above the handgun. Holds 10 rounds and is much easier to fire accurately than a revolver.


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You might also consider a Marlin lever gun, chambered in .45-70. Next down would be a .444 Marlin. Maybe consider a Ruger Super Redhawk in .454 Casull. .44 Magnum would be my lowest consideration.
 
i have a 29-8 mountain gun with the lightweight 4" barrel. it just plain shoots. and with the rubber hogue combat grips on it, it is not unpleasant at all to shoot full power loads. it tucks into my D&D chest holster and i can carry it all day under my coat and not remember its there. i've actually went into convenience stores with it under my sweatshirt and other than the bump for the grip, it was hidden quite well. it is my "right hand" gun when sitting in a stand with my rifle. one-handed shots off my right side are no problem out to 40 yards. i highly recommend the 4" 29.
 
Circumstances preclude carrying a rifle. So it looks like a 4" Mod. 629 will be my choice. And I will be looking at the load recommendations ya'll have provided. My go to panic will be the chest mounted max bear spray. (If the can shoots and the weather is right, I know this stuff works!) Then the "Oh Sh*%". S&W 44 mag on the hip will come out. Thanks for the input everyone.
 
Not many people discussing firearm selection for bear, especially the great bears like the Browns, Grizzlies, and Polar have a clear understanding of bear anatomy and bone structure. Those are the two issues that make bear unique in the dangerous animal category making them potentially impervious to various calibers and bullets that are so effective with other dangerous animals.

A charging bear offers very few shot placement opportunities because of the structure of their heads and the heavy bone and muscle mass of their chest and back areas. Stop by your taxidermists shop sometime when he's skinning out a large adult black bear and you'll see its upper body resembles the "Incredible Hulks" when he's angry! I've never seen a great bear skinned but I can imagine it's amazing!

A side head shot or a standing chest shot offers no problem for many calibers to penetrate to vital areas. But in those typical hunting situations you wouldn't likely have a charging animal. We're talking about a true charging situation where the animal can be on us in seconds and those common hunting shot placements aren't available.

The thick and angular shape of a bears skull is perfect for bullet deflection as pictured below… This is the skull of a huge black bear.







The great bear skulls are significantly larger and thicker. We have very few head-on shot placement opportunities for one shot kills that will stop these monsters…. IMO, they are shot placements directly on the nose or in an eye socket that will drive splintered bone into its brain, otherwise we risk a deflected shot. Try that placement feat with adrenalin pumpin' in a time frame that could be two or three seconds…..

I've shot several large black bear with .41 and .44 mags. One while elk hunting, I had mistakenly wandered into a large boars hibernation den escape path. Thankfully my Mod 29 was unholstered and I was able to get two shots off before he reached me. When people say you only have a few seconds…. believe it! I'll never know if he would have just passed by me or tried to end my days on this earth. I can imagine the horror of that experience with a bear two to three times this large black bears size…..

We all hear stories about great bears killed with a 22…. I have no doubt they are true. But if a handgun is an only firearm option I'd have in great bear country because of convenience or necessity I'll opt for a 500 mag expecting one shot is all I'll get…. if I'm lucky..

JMHO...
 
Years ago, a very effective Alaska bear gun for guides was the Winchester Model 71 lever action, re-chambered for the 458 Alaskan cartridge. With a lever action and open sights, you would have awesome firepower. Problem is today, M 71's are getting quite pricey.
 
I need one of these. Why? That's why I'm asking you. Backwoods Alaska backup I need that. But- My friends say just carry your Glock .40. Yeah, but it ain't no Smith and Wesson. I've never fired the 29. What say you?

Really "compelling" scenario for a thread - a combination bear-thread/Glock-bashing opportunity. :D

If you've never fired a Model 29 you have a lot of work ahead of you. The four-inch is a mean gun. If you can carry a longer gun, I would suggest that (6- or 6.5-inch). The weight difference is not that important. Any N-frame .44 Magnum is a big, heavy revolver. The longer barrel is more controllable and produces a bit more power.

Some people like Magna-porting. After you shoot your new gun a bit, you might want to consider it. I have one 4-inch gun with "magna-snorts" and the ports do seem to make the gun a little more manageable. Unfortunately, they pretty much ruin the resale value of the gun, if that matters to you.

I am not a bear hunter and can't claim any experience but I find it odd that a lot of people pooh-pooh the notion of handguns in bear country. Sure a rifle is preferable, but I wouldn't go there without some sort of pistol (if allowed by law). You just can't take a rifle or shotgun everywhere you go. I know one fellow who believes in "lanyard-ing" his 44 Magnum to his wrist when we goes to sleep just in case things go poorly in the tent in the middle of the night. It might not be guaranteed to save him, but I can't say I think it a bad idea, either. :)

If you decide you can't swing the S&W, your Glock is better than nothing - with FMJs, I suppose. I'd take it with me if it was all I had.
 
A charging bear offers very few shot placement opportunities...But if a handgun is an only firearm option I'd have in great bear country because of convenience or necessity I'll opt for a 500 mag expecting one shot is all I'll get…. if I'm lucky..

And THAT folks, is the reality. We'd all like to think the bad boy is going to rear up on his hind legs like in the movies and growl at us, while we take our time to draw and rapid fire a bunch of rounds into his chest and heart.

Nope. He's gonna be coming at you, and you better have SOMETHING that's effective.
 
And THAT folks, is the reality. We'd all like to think the bad boy is going to rear up on his hind legs like in the movies and growl at us, while we take our time to draw and rapid fire a bunch of rounds into his chest and heart.

Nope. He's gonna be coming at you, and you better have SOMETHING that's effective.

And they are usually coming at you from very close range, busting out of the thick brush along a salmon creek etc. If the gun is holstered, that's where it will be when/if they find your remains. Guys who have never been near one, or seen just when and how they tend to come at you, have no idea what it is like in reality. No time for your fancy self defense draw you may have practiced at home. Just enough to time foul yourself while screaming oh ****, and that's about it.
 
We haven't had a Bear Thread in awhile!:)

Let's see ... what do I do here in Indiana for a bear gun?

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I haven't seen one yet - but when I do he's swiss cheese.

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I'm not into the bear gun strings, for many reasons. However, as a practical matter, a G20 with an aftermarket longer barrel (I think you can do 6") and well constructed heavy solid bullets is likely to be more useable than any revolver.

A heavy load is pretty similar to the .41 Magnum (I think a lot closer than the 15% estimate above). It's 13+1, not 6. It's easier to shoot hot loads from an auto pistol. With other accessory barrels, it will do well with .40 and .357Sig (a friend has one and has done this), both of which would be cheaper to shoot for training and other purposes, like defense against humans in other settings. You are already familiar with Glocks and what will work in terms of accessories, etc. I'm not a total Glock fan, and I sure am not a fan of the .40 in general. I would surely not carry one for bears. But, the 10MM is a very different issue, and may be far more useable for your purpose than others are suggesting.

Long guns: as short as legally possible (18" barrel, which is the longest I would own; 26" OAL), for ease of handling in close. Big calibers, as have been suggested. Big visible sights, like old style express sights, or modern XS - with the big dot, IMHO. In a shotgun, a semi-auto, with slugs. There are 10 gauge semi-autos, but it would take some custom work to make one easier to handle. My understanding is that they are all big/heavy/ponderous. OTOH, I used to see 10gauge slugs advertised - 2 ounces. Not fun to shoot under any scenario I can foresee, but priceless under the conditions at issue. 45-70s with the right load; 458s, 375 H&H, etc. No really my lane, so I leave the choices to others.
 
A 4" 29/629 and bear spray.

Just to be clear here....if the 29 doesn't do Mr. Bear in, the 'bear spray' is for you to spray in your eyes so you don't have to watch what happens when a really PO'd bear comes for you.
 
Just to be clear here....if the 29 doesn't do Mr. Bear in, the 'bear spray' is for you to spray in your eyes so you don't have to watch what happens when a really PO'd bear comes for you.

I guess I had it backwards. I thought the gun was for personal use after the bear spray didn't work out so well.:D
 
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