You are correct. No comparison. Same as sitting in a car with no key going vroom, vroom, as compared to putting it through its paces.
Should I change a trigger on new Rifle?
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You are correct. No comparison. Same as sitting in a car with no key going vroom, vroom, as compared to putting it through its paces.
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I would never get rid of a sub-MOA shooter...��
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The 3.5 lb single stage PSA drop in cassette triggers are excellent and sell for $89-$99 dollars on the PSA website when featured as "daily deals".
I'm not price conscious in the least; the PSA drop in triggers are terrific at only a hundred bucks or so.
Oh believe me when I tell you I still regret that brilliant move.
I've probably bought, sold, and traded over 100 firearms at the Puyallup gun show here when that was allowed.
Two others I regret getting rid of are a Kimber Custom Shop Eclipse and a S&W K38 Target still in the blue box with cleaning kit and all the papers.
Oh well hindsight is 20/20 and I can't change the past so I may as well enjoy what I have now.
Kind of miss this Mini-30 too, I put a lot of TLC into this one.
I've probably bought, sold, and traded over 100 firearms at the Puyallup gun show here when that was allowed.
Two others I regret getting rid of are a Kimber Custom Shop Eclipse and a S&W K38 Target still in the blue box with cleaning kit and all the papers.
Oh well hindsight is 20/20 and I can't change the past so I may as well enjoy what I have now.
Kind of miss this Mini-30 too, I put a lot of TLC into this one.
Or maybe sitting in a car with no key and realizing you have a new supercharger sitting on a shelf in the garage.
Yea my Rise Armament trigger was $100 from Midway and is a pretty nice upgrade.
Sure, they, and others, are way better than factory Mil Spec triggers for sure. But they don't even come close to Geissele, Wilson, Elftmann, Timney, etc.
I'm no expert, but for a time I did have a Geissele SSA-E and my little Rise Armament cassette does pretty good for $100 IMHO.
My Jewell was my favorite, but I don't think you can even get them anymore, and it wouldn't work with my CMMG dedicated upper even after I removed the firing pin spring, that's why I got the Geissele.
My rise armament came with 2 screw type retaining pins that kept coming loose even after blue loc-tite so I got a master link type pin lock and so far so good.
With the AR-15 ban about to happen here, I purchased all the upgrades and spare parts I could think of but I just know that two days after that stupid ban takes effect something will need fixing.
With the AR-15 ban about to happen here, I purchased all the upgrades and spare parts I could think of but I just know that two days after that stupid ban takes effect something will need fixing.
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I run a Rise RA-140 SST 3.5# Flat Trigger in my 15-22. It's a decent trigger that I got on sale for $100 from PA a while ago and works well.
I have a Geissele SD-3G in my Daniel Defense M4 Carbine, a Wilson Combat TTU-3G in my Daniel Defense V7, and a Timney 3# SS trigger group in my Remington R-15 VTR Varmint rifle.
You can't go wrong with any of those 3 triggers (Manufacturers/Models) and they all will outperform any 'budget' AR trigger group. Period.
...You can't go wrong with any of those 3 triggers (Manufacturers/Models) and they all will outperform any 'budget' AR trigger group. Period.
You sound like you know what you're talking about through experience, maybe I'm just not good enough to really tell that much difference, but I'm happy enough with my little $100 upgrade anyway.
My rise armament came with 2 screw type retaining pins that kept coming loose even after blue loc-tite so I got a master link type pin lock and so far so good.
With the AR-15 ban about to happen here, I purchased all the upgrades and spare parts I could think of but I just know that two days after that stupid ban takes effect something will need fixing.
The Rise trigger groups have those silly little set screws under each hammer spring leg that need to be tightened. I don't think they're even mentioned in the installation instructions. Those (included) trigger pins/screws shouldn't back out/loosen. Especially if using blue Loc-Tite on them.
Oh yea, I found and tightened them, (thanks for the info) didn't make any difference and those hammer springs were a pain to try to get out of the way.
The link set-up seems to put my mind at ease.
ETA: I see where you were able to squeeze your Allen wrench past the hammer spring legs, I wound up flipping those dang things over the disconnector tower.
The link set-up seems to put my mind at ease.
ETA: I see where you were able to squeeze your Allen wrench past the hammer spring legs, I wound up flipping those dang things over the disconnector tower.
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Oh yea, I found and tightened them, (thanks for the info) didn't make any difference and those hammer springs were a pain to try to get out of the way.
The link set-up seems to put my mind at ease.
LOL. I feel your pain!
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Well, I am not sure how you'd use it like a pole, but if you're using it as a poll you could let the results tell you what to do...
Either way you can go ahead and install the trigger.
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OP here, wow that’s a lot of responses!, thanks!
So I did it! I went to the range yesterday I put about 150 rounds through the rifle with the stock trigger. And boy am I glad I did. It’s my first AR. I have 4 other rifles, but only did a full trigger upgrade on one of them.(Kel Tec Sub2K). My results were; the gun functionality was perfect, however, that trigger! I’m not a trigger snob, nor am I any type of professional shooter, just have a good amount of experience with firearms from a very young age, now getting back in to it, heavily in my late 50’s. Having said that, the OEM trigger on the M&P 15 sport 2, felt a little heavier than I’d like, being trained on revolvers this is something I can deal with, but that reset and the grittiness of the trigger made me want to stop shooting and run home to do the trigger upgrade! But I didn’t, I kept shooting, sighting in the irons and then the prism scope. I then went home and did the trigger upgrade. I only was able to dry fire it, but I can already feel the lightness of the break and definitely, definitely the smoother reset.
We had to head out to my daughters for the weekend, I can’t wait to get back home and try this baby out! I’ll keep y’all posted! Hey, maybe I will become a trigger snob! Lol!
Thanks again for all that input,
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So I did it! I went to the range yesterday I put about 150 rounds through the rifle with the stock trigger. And boy am I glad I did. It’s my first AR. I have 4 other rifles, but only did a full trigger upgrade on one of them.(Kel Tec Sub2K). My results were; the gun functionality was perfect, however, that trigger! I’m not a trigger snob, nor am I any type of professional shooter, just have a good amount of experience with firearms from a very young age, now getting back in to it, heavily in my late 50’s. Having said that, the OEM trigger on the M&P 15 sport 2, felt a little heavier than I’d like, being trained on revolvers this is something I can deal with, but that reset and the grittiness of the trigger made me want to stop shooting and run home to do the trigger upgrade! But I didn’t, I kept shooting, sighting in the irons and then the prism scope. I then went home and did the trigger upgrade. I only was able to dry fire it, but I can already feel the lightness of the break and definitely, definitely the smoother reset.
We had to head out to my daughters for the weekend, I can’t wait to get back home and try this baby out! I’ll keep y’all posted! Hey, maybe I will become a trigger snob! Lol!
Thanks again for all that input,
TT
Sounds like you're all set up. A high quality, consistent trigger with a smooth pull, reset, and crisp break, along with a good prism scope, is about as good as it gets for an array of applications.
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You may have just enlightened me sir, thank you.
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Thanks, I did kinda cheaped out on the Prism scope, (for now). My test budget was $110, so I purchased a Votatu P3X. I have a stigmatism, so when I turn up the Red Dot brightness on my other rifle, it gets oblong and fuzzy, so I wanted to try a Prism scope to see if I like it, before I spent a lot, (and I do like it). So I will be replacing it with a better, higher powered one in the future. (Suggestions welcome).
Having said that, I had a little difficulty at 50 yards with a 3X lense, but I was using a small 12x12 sight-in target. My other issue is I don’t think I’m much of a co-witness shooter, the thought of it bothers me. I’ve been shooting irons for 44 years. So I really want a flip to the side mount so I can switch between my irons and with a prism scope, one that’s on a stout, flip to the side mount. They are few and far apart from what I can find, especially for a Votatu prism scope. Mine is 33mm with a proprietary mounting plate/riser that attaches to a picatinny rail. (more suggestions on a flip to side mount appreciated) The other Flip to the side mount that I have, is on my Kel Tec 9mm PCC. It’s designed specifically to mount to it, it’s made and designed by those MCarbo Brothers! What an awesome flip mount, wish they would make one for an AR. It’s the exact kind of mount I would like.
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FYI OP....There's nothing wrong with being a 'Trigger Snob!'.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a Trigger Snob, but given the incessant fussing and fuming about quality and poor service from today's S&W folks, I'm wondering if replacing the trigger assembly voids or otherwise impacts the warranty?
I've never even seen a S&W rifle of any sort, much less know anything about them (and haven't really read any of the previous comments here); but caution would seem to be the order of the day until that question gets answered.
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