Should NIB S&Ws get Priority, when sent in for service?

Well, if I was a first time buyer and it was my only gun, their service would really leave a bad taste in my mouth.
If you bought a new car, and immediately needed to return it for service, would you be happy, having it sit in the shop for a month, with no one working on it?

You sent it in right before the holiday shutdown, of course it is going to take longer. You need to chill.

S&W Customer service is the very best I've delt with, and their turn-around for me has been less than 10days total.

I've always done a complete writeup, including pictures, of exactly my concerns so that they don't have to guess the problem. They have been very thorough. I give S&W Customer Service an A.
 
You sent it in right before the holiday shutdown, of course it is going to take longer. You need to chill.

S&W Customer service is the very best I've delt with, and their turn-around for me has been less than 10days total.

I've always done a complete writeup, including pictures, of exactly my concerns so that they don't have to guess the problem. They have been very thorough. I give S&W Customer Service an A.

I am "chill"..... I just asked a question.............
 
His gun is not any more important to him than her gun is to her.

It doesn't matter the circumsatances, new, old, only, many, et al.

FIFO


Give me your opinion on S&Ws LEO 911 service??
Why should LEO not wait for repairs??
 
I will give my opinion on why the new car comparison is not a good one...if you buy a Chevy, there are hundreds of dealers you can take it to to have it repaired, but you can't send it to the factory. If you could send it to the factory, then it would be the same as S&W, the wait could be very long, even for a brand new car that has serious flaws.
Secondly, if you don't like the Chevy, there is Ford, Chrysler, Honda, etc. that offer a similar quality product. With revolvers, I can think of only Ruger or Charter Arms that offer new double action small frame revolvers. There might be more, they just don't come to mind right now.
So, you are basically stuck with the one manufacturer that makes the product you like to use. They sort of have you by the short hairs, so to speak, because there just isn't anywhere else to go.
 
I am still waiting for an opinion on S&Ws LEO 911 service??
Thats NOT FIFO!

Can't help you with that one.
It does suck to have issues with a new gun & it has to be returned.
I'm just wondering if you brought it to the dealers attention before returning it to the factory. Perhaps he would have offered a replacement with a gun that had so many issues right out of the box? Just a thought.
 
Can't help you with that one.
It does suck to have issues with a new gun & it has to be returned.
I'm just wondering if you brought it to the dealers attention before returning it to the factory. Perhaps he would have offered a replacement with a gun that had so many issues right out of the box? Just a thought.

Thats probably what I would have done, but I purchased them from Buds, and had them shipped to my FFL. So If I had known it was that bad, I could have sent it back to Buds for replacement. Since I had already done the Pa. paperwork, there was no turning back at that point.
I guess I will just call S&W after a month has gone by and see whats going on.....
 
While I can understand anyone not wanting someone else's guns being prioritized over theirs, I can see the other side of the coin and have been in that position.

In October of 2008, I bought a new Remington Model 700, one of a special run of .257 Weatherby Magnums in a version of the 700 that was discontinued that year (the LSS). On it's second shot, the extractor spring broke and I had to use the cleaning rod I fortunately had with me to remove the fired casing. I learned from Remington's website that the closest warranty repair station was a gunsmith about 90 minutes away, so I called and made arrangements to drop the rifle off the next evening for a repair that literally takes 10 minutes.

When I asked the shop owner, who had the personality of a glass of ice water, when I might expect my rifle back, his reply was, "I'll call you when it's ready." Even when I asked if we were talking days, weeks or months, the reply was unchanged and equally as cold. For someone who spent 38 years kissing the backsides of the American public, it was real hard to refrain from telling him what I thought of his service but I held my tongue.

I was speaking with my media relations rep at Remington two months later arranging for a test gun to be shipped to me (I write for Shotgun Sports Magazine) and at the conclusion of our conversation, she asked if there was anything else she could do for me. I said, "No, unless you can fix the extractor in one of my Model 700s." She asked for the details and when I told her how long it had been at a Remington warranty repair station thus far, she called the gunsmith. Two hours later, I received a VERY chilly call from his wife telling me my rifle was ready.

As I told the girl at Remington, I have over two dozen Model 700s, so having that one was not critical. But what if I was a young man who had just purchased his first new rifle and had planned to use it in the upcoming deer season? Since that season had ended a week before she and I were talking, it's obvious I would not have had my gun back in time. How likely would such a hunter be to purchase another new Remington firearm?

I'm like everyone else - I want my stuff done as soon as possible but if I was told that my work was delayed because of a new gun that had to be returned for repairs, I think I would understand.

And while we're on the subject, I emailed Smith & Wesson on Tuesday about returning a Model 686 no-dash for the "M" update. I received a reply yesterday telling me that my gun's serial number doesn't exist, so I sent them a photo of it this morning. Anyone ever have that happen?

Ed
 
Give me your opinion on S&Ws LEO 911 service??
Why should LEO not wait for repairs??

Hmmm, me thinks that is such an obvious answer, no one needs to answer it.. ;)
You do seem like you are taking it like a trooper.. I'm sure it will be straightened out. I would definitely make a call and check on the status and get some kind of info and timeline..
 
Hmmm, me thinks that is such an obvious answer, no one needs to answer it.. ;)
You do seem like you are taking it like a trooper.. I'm sure it will be straightened out. I would definitely make a call and check on the status and get some kind of info and timeline..


well stated jack ;)
 
Give me your opinion on S&Ws LEO 911 service??
Why should LEO not wait for repairs??

First I want to say that I agree with you that there should be some special procedure when S&W quality control allowed a new gun to leave the factory in that condition.

That said; let me explain the LEO 911 program.

First only a very few S&W gunsmiths are even allowed to touch a law enforcement issued duty weapon. Factory smiths that work on LEO guns have additional training and are specially bonded. If the officer is involved in a shooting, the smith may be called to testify.

Many small departments do not have the money keep an officer certified as a smith. Most local smiths do not want to risk dealing with LEO guns. If an officer dies in a shooting the family may blame the gun and sue the smith, if the suspect dies same thing.

Why not just issue a spare gun and wait. Good idea but money legal issues happen. Guns are not cheap. You do not just put one away in a safe and forget about it until needed. You must inventory guns each and every shift (time and money). A little known secret of duty weapons is that they are finger printed. Rounds are fired and retained for future ballistic verification. Spent cartridges are stored recording firing pin marks.

If an officer sends his or her duty weapon to S&W for any work a copy of the work report will be sent via registered mail to the agency head. Years ago my partner's 2-inch M64 barrel needed replacement. S&W notified the agency that they had replaced the gun barrel. My partner had to turn in the weapon within 48 hours for new ballistic tests.

I know of a small department, six sworn officers that still issues M686 and M60s. Imaging trying to patrol only with your M60 for a month or more. Not a good feeling.

I hope this helps explain why the LEO 911 program is important.
 
I would have just not transfered the gun into my name if it showed up at the gun shop in that kinda shape. Deny the transfer and send it back. Once its in your name, its not a new gun... its a used gun and should follow the exact same process as everyone else, as crappy as that is.

Every company will make a lemon, no matter what... but if they fix it, then your in the green. Too often companys now just leave you hanging once the purchase is over.

The timeframe is terrible, but then again... its kinda how the cards were dealt. When you get the gun back, shoot the hell out of it and enjoy it.
 
There is something to be said about supporting your LGS.

Hope you get it worked out sooner than later.


I hate to ask, but am seeing the reference quite often: what is "LGS"?
 
LGS can mean two things, Local Gun Smith or Local Gun Shop. The reason for supporting either is obvious, most local shops get by on a pretty hand to mouth business model, so they are always "teetering" on the edge of closing up. This is especially true for shops that don't have an indoor range to bring in people and provide a steady income. IMO, today with internet competition, the only way for a gunshop to survive is either to become an internet "powerhouse" or add an indoor range, firearms made today are made well enough to not need the services of a gunsmith very often. An odd statement to make in this particular thread but if you ask any of your local gunsmiths you'll find it's true.

As for the OP's question, it's my impression that warranty repairs DO take precedence over any other service work. This forum has a great number of posts indicating a rapid turnaround on warranty work and those sending guns in for service work waiting months for it to happen. My impression is that on average a warranty repair normally involves a 2 to 3 week turnaround, send a gun in for an "action tuning" and you'll wait months.

However, in your case your timing was terrible. S&W closes in August and they close in December for the Christmas holiday. Give them a call to inquire the status on your gun and you'll probably find it's either due to be returned in another week or is already in transit. One thing that S&W doesn't do well is keep their customers informed on the status of any warranty work unless the customer calls, something they really should do something about.
 
Well, I'm late into this, but in answer to the OP, yes. I don't buy S&W's new, but, from a business standpoint, if a gun ships with a fault, it should be handled immediately - not placed "in line" with the others.

I've never been unsatisfied with any response to any query or repair by S&W, so I can't add to any other comments.
 
No one like a defective gun, especially a new one. However, since I have a few more than 1 gun ;) it wouldn't bother me in the least to wait for the proper repair.
 
Back
Top