Should we all really be allowed to posess firearms?

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Im being saccastic of course but hear me out.

A man has a nice Smith for sale on Gunbroker of all places. Nice LOOKING gun, really decent price and one of my favorite models, but he has it listed as "As Is No Returns". Sorry, cant do that again, not with all of the backstabbing and lying people are so fond of these days, coupled with what seems to be some slick photography skills, or photoshop or whatever.

Well, I had to try so I message him and explain that Im interested in his offering but that I just cant accept the terms and ask for a non firing inspection with the option for my money back if Im not satisfied. They write back and say that the gun has been inspected by them ( its actually a business) and its in fine working order. So then I say that since thats the case then they wont object to me being able to inspect it since its in fine condition and Ill find no issues??? I further explain that I know it is used and that I am expecting normal wear and tear and small finish defects etc... basically Im not expecting a NEW gun but I dont want an abused one either.

They message back saying that they simply will not send me the gun just to inspect it without paying first. Duh!!! No kidding! Im asking if I can return it if Im not happy. I go on to wish them luck with their sale and that Im sorry for expecting everyone to understand what Im asking for, and explain it again, and wish them a good day.
They then write back again and say that they didnt know I was interested in buying the gun!!! What? So to them I was simply some random idiot who stumbled across their listing and decided I should inspect what theyre selling? Who does this? Is there a job out there with this description?

So I ask again, should we all be allowed to have firearms?
 
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Some people are just to stupid to be allowed to be left alone for any reason. That being said, I've been skunked twice on online sales. So I will no longer buy sight unseen, with out a written return option. The only exception to this is from an established respected seller I've done business with before.
 
The line that absolutely turns me away is when they say "examine the photo's carefully as they are the description". Seriously? That's would be like telling me to examine a used car from across the street. No description = not interested.
 
That sounds more like people who shouldn't be running a commercial business, and probably won't for very long.

Aside from that, I'd be specific about what you'd inspect it for. Passing a range rod, timing, lockup, or whatever specific parameter floats your boat.
 
Okay, here's another reality to consider.

If you are a seller on Gunbroker and you are successful and high feedback seller, the pure reality is that regardless of what you (or me or anyone) thinks, they genuinely know what they are doing and it's so far beyond "likely" that they will sell this gun under their terms that you are made aware of their terms and you don't care to agree, life just moves on.

Sellers that sell a lot have have had their share of occurrences where having a more liberal policy had gotten them abused. Especially with older guns. Parts switched or raided, bad handling, slow/bad shipping and many of their sales are consignments where they have already paid out as soon as the winning bidder agreed to buy it.

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How many random faceless bidders on Gunbroker aren't qualified to do a proper inspection or god forbid a teardown? Further ask how many 1911's get an idiot scratch, how many S&W 1-2-3rd Gens have the telltale ejector ding on the rear of the slide?

Bless the sellers who state their terms clearly, not sure why anyone who can read cannot simply move on to the next offering.

Used guns are not for everyone, and buying sight unseen takes that to another level. Find your comfort zone and shop there.
 
Please explain?????

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Okay, here's another reality to consider.


How many random faceless bidders on Gunbroker aren't qualified to do a proper inspection or god forbid a teardown? Further ask how many 1911's get an idiot scratch, how many S&W 1-2-3rd Gens have the telltale ejector ding on the rear of the slide?
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These are terms I have never heard about buying a semi, thank you.
 
My experience with buying used guns online is solely with CDNN, and after four different purchases, I can honestly say my expectations have always been exceeded. Still, it's buyer beware, although I feel CDNN would attempt to make things right. My experience in retail sales convinced me the customer is not always right.
 
No, the point, the only point is few people posess reading comprehension skills. Rest assured, my question was simple, simply phrased, succinct and had they bothered to read it, like my post here. Again, I thought the reason for my amazement was made clear. I wasnt that they were wondering if I knew how to perform a proper inspection and what specific tools I may or may not use, they had no clue I wanted to even buy the gun, the gun they listed for sale. Thats the issue. And I dont care about getting it one way or another, doesnt bother me in the least, didnt have my little cold dark heart set on it, wasnt looking for one and its not on my Christmas list. No, these people were just clueless idiots who because of their stupidity missed a sale. And by the way, theyve emailed me again and by what little of it was displayed before I deleted it they now may be amenable to my terms, well too bad. It just looks like a bad situation. And guess what, my weekend will still be just as good as it was going to be before this interaction.
 
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BillBro said:
No, the point, the only point is few people posess reading comprehension skills. Rest assured, my question was simple, simply phrased, succinct and had they bothered to read it, like my post here.
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This was crystal clear in your original post; I caught it immediately. You told them that you were "interested in their offering"; then they said in their latest communication that "they didn't know I was interested in buying the gun."

They simply paid little or no attention to what you said. If I were the ranting type, I would post a rant on people who don't listen. We often have discussions here about certain negative trends, and this, to me, is one of the worst. Listening is a fundamental expression of respect toward another human being; not listening is the opposite. If one is more interested in knowing what harm is done by not listening, one need not look very far. One's own experience should suffice, with the OP's here serving as supporting evidence.

I'll stop there, lest I begin to rant. I'll just add that I don't see it as poor reading comprehension skills, but more like just not caring enough to pay attention -more of an attitude than anything else. I've seen a proliferation of this in recent years.

May your online exchanges in the future be more satisfying than this one was!

Regards,
Andy
 
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I think the majority of American people are much like me, generally honest and trustworthy, capable of possessing man-portable nuclear weapons with no threat to their neighbors or anyone else (tongue firmly in cheek, of course).

My dealings on GunBroker have been generally positive, with a few notable exceptions.

A seller offered a Kimber Custom CDP .45 pistol in "as new condition". I won the bid and received a pistol that had been "bubba" gunsmithed, thumb safety inoperable and multiple parts changed out to non-standard aftermarket parts. Seller refused to accept a return or offer any negotiated settlement. I trashed him on feedback, of course. Sent the pistol to Kimber for factory repairs to original standards ($380 or so at the time). Seller bugged me for a year trying to get me to change my feedback.

Sold a vintage Colt revolver to a guy. Received a nasty response when he received it. I accepted the return, then found that several original parts had been scavenged and replaced with defective parts. Learned that in the antiques and collectibles there are quite a few parts thieves who do this. Took me two years to locate all the necessary original parts to correct this nonsense, and a couple hundred bucks.

Won an auction for a modern shotgun from a seller in another state. Sent a copy of my local dealer's FFL with shipping instructions (to include a copy of his ID for my dealer's records). Came home one day and found the package by my front door, sent by US Mail directly to me. Contacted seller, expressed my displeasure (as in "Do you understand that you have committed a federal felony offense"?). His reply was that all of that FFL nonsense was a bunch of BS and he wasn't going to put up with it, nobody's business who he was or what he did. Naturally, I ratted him out to GB staff and had his account shut down. Ran the shotgun to be sure it wasn't stolen, etc (no problem there). Just another ignorant jerk with a bad attitude.

Other than a few stressful events, GB has been pretty good over the years. I think my feedback rating is 100% positive with over 200 entries as seller and buyer. Not too bad for 20 years or so.
 
There might be more reckless/crazy driving vehicles than swapping guns.
 
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