Sig 938 opinions?

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I've been offered a Sig 938 as a trade. I don't know much about that little gun, except for a couple of reviews on the internet which are flattering. Seems pretty pricey.



Anyone here have one and care to offer opinions? Problems or things I need to look out for?



Thanks!
 
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I've owned and carried one for several years. I like it a lot. Sig quality. All metal, no polymer. Never had a malfunction. I've not used 115 gr. ammo because some reviewers have had malfunctions with those. It's a little too much for pocket carry so I use OWB holsters. The extended magazine and the rubber grips help a lot to control recoil but it's really not bad. Just one old man's opinion though.
 
I bought a SIG-Sauer P938 BRG in 2017 new off Gunbroker for $455 plus $20 shipping, and find it very useful for extremely low-profile carry of a real-caliber gun. Here is an amalgamation of posts and photos from around that time that I hope might be of use to you.


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The fat Hogue stocks really work well. I have medium-sized hands with hollow palms: this gun works fine in them. Easy to draw from the pocket or the IWB holster. Easy to take a tight grip and make the thing run. Between the grip and the single-action trigger, it was easier for me to shoot quickly and accurately than my (larger and heavier) Glock 43 (this surprised me). Double-taps were nothing. I totally chewed up the head of a B27 at ten yards in shooting mixed 123- and 115-grain ball rounds, and I found the grip I was able to get combined with the trigger pull made one-handed shooting (strong or weak) easier to do well than with most guns. A real surprise in something this tiny. Really, a surprise.
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The gun was reliable, which was a relief. Since I'd read that these were designed around 124-grainers, I led off with a box of Aguila 124-gr ball. 100% fine. Same with Aguila 115-grain ball. The head of that B27 was just flat tore up, especially once I got it through my muscle memory that it was a pivoting trigger and not a sliding one. (My initial rounds through the chrono were to the right, which I took to mean I was using too much Southpaw trigger finger. I got better with more rounds under my belt. Ultimately, I think the sights were pretty on. Accordingly, I'm just going to mention elevation below))
(Range at 5950' > sea level, c. 73°F, c. 45% humidity - ran some exemplar rounds through the LCR-22 and determined everything was working correctly.)
Aguila 123-gr FMJ: M 996.7 fps/S 42.67/D 13.62 (3" high)
Aguila 115-gr FMJ M 1048/S 27.42/D 9.94 (at POA)
I had problems with the 147-grain Gold Dots: they were too long for the mags, and tended to bind up in the front and nosedive. They worked well enough one or two at a time in the mag (running right at 885 fps almost 3" above POA), but on the last one of those I did, the gun bucked up against my fat tungsten carbide "back-up wedding ring," and tripped the mag release, shooting out the 7-rounder. Nope, no 147-gr Gold Dots for this gun.
Short-barrel +P Gold Dots were one of the first groups I did with the thing, before I really figured out the trigger:
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These did 1114/20.02/12.76, and had some STOUT recoil compared to the not-much-slower standard pressure 124-grain JHPs.
Remington Ultimate Defense 124-gr BJHP M 1056/61.29/23.28 - this is what I'm carrying.
Hornady Critical Duty 135-gr +P FTX rounds showed (once again) that they need a longer-than-3" tube: M 989.9/46.46/18.81
Remington old school HTP 147-gr JHPs were remarkably consistent but not all that accurate (3" high and sloppy grouping): 885.9/9.04/3.46 (!!!). Just goes to show that consistency doesn't guarantee accuracy.
No failures of any kind but for the too-long-for-the-magazine 147-grain Gold Dots. I didn't put any +P+ through the gun, because it strikes me as a little delicate: I'm grateful that it shoots 9x19 from a platform this size, and I just don't feel the need to abuse it. The standard pressure Remington 124-grainers were a lot easier to shoot than the blastier +P Gold Dots, and they weren't all that much slower. I'll baby the gun and avoid the RA9TA, etc.
I'd read several posts saying this gun was difficult to re-assemble - I find it is a piece of cake.
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The gun carries very easily in a Remora IWB or in pocket. It's really small, so I'm grateful that this has turned out to be reliable for me thus far. I'm flat-out blown away by how easy it has proven for me to shoot well. Those Hogue stocks are something else (you can see this if you look at their wildfire popularity on the forums right after they were introduced), and really put the cherry on top of this sundae.
Not that impressed with the night sights: in the first place, I don't think they're necessary, and in the second, these aren't that bright as the breed goes. Whatever. I like the ambi safety set-up but am not in love with the mag release - once again I'll bang on my pot to voice my opinion that a tiny gun should come with a butt release (this ain't IPSC and I'm not Rob Leatham). The 3" barrel is short: really the minimum for a 9x19, and I'd rather have a 1/3 or 1/2" more. The single-action C&L carry is a whole lot less of a concern than I would have thought in a small sometimes-pocket gun: the safeties work and I find them to be easy off. Plus I like the fact that you can run the slide with them up (like on my SIG-Sauer P220 Compact Elite SAO) - it makes for an extremely safe loading and unloading.
Am I happy? Yes, indeed. Warm fuzzies from this thing. It's one of those things like with my micro-SD cards . . . I remember being a kid and thinking, "Wouldn't it be great if I could have a library that fit on storage the size of a postage stamp?" Well, now I can. And my thought, "Wouldn't it be great if I could have a 9mm that was the size of this .25?," has been similarly answered. I like my P938. :)



Further note: there appears to have been a lot of discussion about whether the sticky rubber of the Hogue stocks clings to clothing to make the concealed gun either more evident to an observer or more difficult to draw. (I've certainly found this to be the case with rubber Hogue stocks on other guns.) On the P938 BRG, I've found that the first issue (the rubber clinging to fabric to make the gun more evident to an observer) is not a problem - the area of rubber is just so tiny that even clingy fabrics don't appear to "grab" it. The second issue (rubber interfering with the draw) seemed to be a small issue with pocket carry in a business suit, but not from jeans. I'm finding that my draw from pocket-carry (as is generally the case with pocket carry of various guns) does not allow me to take the vaunted "firm final firing grip" (again, I'm not Rob Leatham and this isn't gun-gaming): what I do instead with the SIG-Sauer P938 BRG is to curl my two fingers around the frontstrap and place my thumb on the underside of the (cocked) hammer. I then simply pluck the gun out of the pocket, assume the final grip, and bring the gun up.



Update: another chrono reading:
Golden Saber bonded 124-gr +P (same range, 67 degrees Fahrenheit, c. 45% humidity)
M 1081 fps/ES 55.48/SD 21.70
And snappy!
I'm sticking with the standard pressure stuff for this gun.



Some additional comparison photos, these with the P938 and the Beretta Nano:



A pic I liked of the P938BRG and the Victorinox Spartan:

Sucker really is tiny . . . like pretty much the size of a Raven:



I've cut an iPhone-sized piece of plastic landscape edging that I lay on top of the gun in my pocket in a Blackhawk! pocket holster - even in tight jeans, this amalgamation looks like a cell phone.
These next two images are reversed by the mirror I used to capture them - that's my left hand in the second photo below (trigger finger curled not to go into the trigger guard but to make the gun visible), and the gun and holster are both in the first


But it mostly rides in a tuckable Kydex AIWB rig from Key Brand Gear - I wear it tucked with business attire:






I hope this was of use. I'm glad I have mine.
 
Sorry for slight hijack here,
Is the main difference no safety on the Sig P365? And more rounds in the 365? Size/weight seems about same from the Sig website.
I have/carry a 365.


The 938 is an aluminum frame and hammer fired. The 365 is a polymer frame and striker fired. Two different animals except for both being Sigs.
 
bigwheelzip, WBH, and Erich,


Thanks for your opinions and pictures. I haven't seen the "trade gun" yet, but if it's good condition and I can trade into it "right", I'll probably go for it.
 
I have a 938 and it has never failed with around 1,000 rounds of mixed weight ammo fired, and the little thing is more accurate than one would expect. It was my edc until the P365 proved itself and took the place of the P938. Still great fun to take out shooting though.
 
KalamazooKid, and Swiftflyer,

Thanks for your opinions and pictures, too.
 
A good friend of mine, and shooting buddy, has a P938, P238, and, last year, added a P365. (Disclaimer - I have none of the above, but have put many rounds through all three of his at the range.) After ensuring the 365 was reliable, that became his carry gun.

I noticed after a while he was back to IWB carrying the 938. Thinner, more compact, and most significantly, the spare magazine is much less bulky. That's what he replied when I asked why he had gone back.

Now, this past summer, he's been carrying the P238 more. Slightly smaller than the 938. We went for a long motorcycle ride for lunch yesterday. I was pocket carrying my Bodyguard, he was pocket carrying the 238.

If you're just looking at the specifications, all three appear to be reasonable close in size. But - MY OPINION - when you actually are carrying them the slight differences in size are more noticeable than you would expect.

All three are good guns, in my opinion. If you're happy carrying your P365, stick with it. Me, I had planned on buying a 365, but decided to stick with my BG380 and 642.
 
Sorry for slight hijack here,
Is the main difference no safety on the Sig P365? And more rounds in the 365? Size/weight seems about same from the Sig website.
I have/carry a 365.


Skeezix has already answered, but I'd like to add that the P938 is a hammer-fired, single-stack, single-action-only pistol derived from the 1911 design (via the various Star 9mm and Colt .380 designs over the years). Just as apples and oranges are both tree-borne fruits, the P938 and P365 are both small 9mm SIG-Sauer pistols designed for concealed carry - but they're quite different, and both have their individual charms and merits.
 
I recommend using the available 7 round magazines with the pinky extension, unless concealment is a problem or you have very small hands and can still get a good grip. My hands are medium size or a little less, and I had trouble with only the six round mag and my pinky flopping in the air.
My accuracy and second shot on target really improved with the pinky extension.

2. Mine has eaten everything in 115 gr, from FMJ, to HP, to Buffalo Bore flat point lead, but I have not been able to get through a magazine of 124 gr, both FMJ an JHP without a failure. I gave up on 124 gr.
Just not worth the trouble to me.
In over 1,000 rounds, I've not had a failure with 115 gr bullets, plinking or full power duty rounds.
I had the same success with its little brother, an early P238 .380. Once I polished the feed ramp, it was flawless.

3. I found both guns very comfortable to shoot from plinkers up to full power standard velocity defensive rounds. I have not and will not risk +P in the gun.

4. I love that you can leave the safety on and still rack the slide if it's cocked. The slide is also very easy to rack, something I can't say for many 9mm guns I've tried. It makes unloading the gun safely much more reassuring to me.

If you like a 1911 style action, you'll like the P938.
 
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I have a p938 sas that I love but looking to part with only because of the new hi-cap option I have for ccw. As others have mentioned completely reliable but stay away from the 147 grain or +P loads. I used the Hogue grips for awhile but eventually put the stock grips back on, again for better conceal.


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I've had and carried a 938 for a few years. Amazing that a 9mm comes in such a small package.

I read the 938 is "like a 1911" and agree there are similarities. The 938 action IMHO most resembles the old Colt 1908 or Mustang.

I'll pretty much buy any gun for any reason or use, but if the 938 is being bought for carry I think I'd want to know in what condition it would be carried.
 
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I like them for many of the above reasons but I removed the right side safety as it pressed into my trigger finger when disengaged. It was mainly a nuisance issue. I usually prefer ambidextrous thumb safeties but not on this one.
 
I like them for many of the above reasons but I removed the right side safety as it pressed into my trigger finger when disengaged. It was mainly a nuisance issue. I usually prefer ambidextrous thumb safeties but not on this one.
I removed the right side safety lever (I carry right hand) because three times within a couple weeks, I found I was carrying cocked with the safety OFF. The outboard, in this case the right hand safety, is not covered by the holster, and I'd bump it to the 'fire' position on benches or equipment as I was moving around my shop.
That scared the daylights out of me.
 
I removed the right side safety lever (I carry right hand) because three times within a couple weeks, I found I was carrying cocked with the safety OFF. The outboard, in this case the right hand safety, is not covered by the holster, and I'd bump it to the 'fire' position on benches or equipment as I was moving around my shop.
That scared the daylights out of me.

That right there is enough to now make me write that gun completely off.
I'll stay with the 365.
 
Firstl of all I'm one of the few people on this forum old enough to know the comic strip Skeezix and I chuckled at the likeness of your avatar.

I have both a 938 and a 365. I typically carry the 365 and find it is superior in a couple of ways. I don't care for the double safety on the 938 and it feels more bulky than the 365 even though they are both the same Approximate size and weight.

In favor of the 938 I can readily shoot a ragged 5 round hole from 10 yds, which I can't seem to do with the 365.

Each gun has been 100% reliable in approximately 1000 rounds.
 
I'm a southpaw, and one of the reasons I went away from carry of 1911s was the frequent disengagement of the safety I'd note after bumping ordinary things during the course of daily business. (I don't recall it was ever an issue with the ambi-safeties of the Browning Hi-Powers I've carried, oddly.) A high Kydex holster on the inside of the body can help, but I totally get the concern folks have expressed here. I've only noted the safety came off accidentally on my P938 one time: this was when I was wearing a pocket holster that didn't properly fit the gun. I now actually heat-gunned a Kydex holster to fit around the safety (mechanically locking it "on") and I use that Kydex holster inside the soft Blackhawk! pocket holster that I (infrequently) use with this gun.



As far as my regular AIWB wear in the Kydex Key Brand Gear rig, I've never had anything flip the tiny P938 safety to "off" - it's not as large as the safeties on the 1911s with which I've had problems. But I can see how that could be a concern to some folks.
 

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