SIG ordered to pay 11 million for AD

[biku324]

From March 2023 to February 2024, we purchased 160+ Sig M-11s (P228) for the Somali Police Force - because of an arms embargo at the time, ownership of these was retained by the USG. All were shipped NIB to Mogadishu. Two (2) would not fire or function in any way and could not be locally repaired. The vendor promised to replace both but had not as of my last contact earlier this year (it is NOT easy to get firearms into Somalia legally). Other minor problems with the pistols were corrected at the range by a talented South African range officer. The M11s were to replace aging Israeli Masadas - several SPF officers opted to retain their Masadas.

Our contract protective services provider used Tokarev 57s. They worked.

 

[LVSteve]

From March 2023 to February 2024, we purchased 160+ Sig M-11s (P228) for the Somali Police Force - because of an arms embargo at the time, ownership of these was retained by the USG. All were shipped NIB to Mogadishu. Two (2) would not fire or function in any way and could not be locally repaired. The vendor promised to replace both but had not as of my last contact earlier this year (it is NOT easy to get firearms into Somalia legally). Other minor problems with the pistols were corrected at the range by a talented South African range officer. The M11s were to replace aging Israeli Masadas - several SPF officers opted to retain their Masadas.

Our contract protective services provider used Tokarev 57s. They worked.

The Masada has only been out since 2017. How are they wearing them out?

 

[biku324]

Because of the retention schedule for a maritime climate in a conflict region. The older pistols were all in use daily outdoors in Mogadishu. Judging equipment for Somalia by US standards is a fruitless venture.

 

[LVSteve]

Because of the retention schedule for a maritime climate in a conflict region. The older pistols were all in use daily outdoors in Mogadishu. Judging equipment for Somalia by US standards is a fruitless venture.

I keep forgetting about salt air corrosion. I’ve lived in the desert too long.

 

[biku324]

Don't forget lack of stable electricity for indoor climate control.

 

[Onomea]

Here is a 2022 document by Magnum Research Director of Research and Development James Tertin testifying as an expert witness that the P320 is unsafe without an external safety of some kind.

He believes that the P320 is the only single action only striker fired pistol sold without an external safety as a standard feature:




Tertin's qualifications:



Full report at link below:

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23759277/tertin-slatowski-report.pdf

 

[pasound]

Experts and their documentation... Obviously, James Tertin never saw or handled a Ruger American 9mm or 45ACP pistol. The earliest models are fully cocked without any trigger shoe or safety. I got rid of my first American 45ACP because it was inherently accident-prone. It may have been drop safe, but I don't know that. I still own a 45ACP American, but it has a manual safety.

I own a Sig 365 XL, with a manual safety, and trust that it won't go off even loaded with one up the spout until I drop the safety and pull the trigger. The same with my Taurus TX22's.

But I learned the swipe-the-thumb-down-safety on a loaded and cocked action from years of owning and shooting 1911's and their clones.