Ever tried to fix an intermittent electrical problem?With all due respect to all the experts….
I am genuinely puzzled at WHY the spontaneous discharges CANNOT be re-created, duplicated, or otherwise analyzed to determine the exact cause(s)???

Ever tried to fix an intermittent electrical problem?With all due respect to all the experts….
I am genuinely puzzled at WHY the spontaneous discharges CANNOT be re-created, duplicated, or otherwise analyzed to determine the exact cause(s)???
Yes..... and it was extremely aggravating!Ever tried to fix an intermittent electrical problem?![]()
Therein lies the reason why the discussion and controversy rages on for so long. No one is completely certain of what is happening, only that there is some vulnerability with this pistol that doesn't seem to be plaguing competing designs. It's not yet certain that anyone knows what condition or combination of conditions is causing the ADs, so recreating it isn't so straightforward. If anyone knows the reasons, they aren't saying so far. All anyone knows is the common denominator with all of these known cases is that they involved a Sig P320. All of the analysis of the gun has been motivated by trying to find these exact cause(s). Maybe the causes will eventually be discovered conclusively and maybe not, but until then, it is reasonable to critically scrutinize its design.With all due respect to all the experts….
I am genuinely puzzled at WHY the spontaneous discharges CANNOT be re-created, duplicated, or otherwise analyzed to determine the exact cause(s)???
I posted this a while back in another forum and I still maintain this would be the only (yet absurd) way to recreate any of the alleged uncommanded discharges.With all due respect to all the experts….
I am genuinely puzzled at WHY the spontaneous discharges CANNOT be re-created, duplicated, or otherwise analyzed to determine the exact cause(s)???
This guy nails it the striker is in the slide and the sear is in the frame and the 320's just have too much play in their slides and frames. In all my years of firearms I've never seen a gun with this much slop in it. Add a security holster that depresses the trigger slightly and then have the gun bumped in the wrong place and you get Bang. A few years ago I heard that Sig hired a executive from Kimber that had pumped their numbers up at the expense of quality. It appears he has done the same at SIG. Also I believe the Army has not had the problems because they still require their MP's to carry with an empty chamber. The Air Force treats their Security Police more like civilian cops.
This guy "nails it".
This guy "nails it".
Not even remotely close to nailing anything, unless the video is intended to be tongue in cheek. He literally moves the trigger 99% of its travel, to the point there is miniscule sear engagement remaining, at which point almost any gun would fire when jiggling the slide because the striker is barely still hanging on to the edge of the sear ledge. He has to move the trigger what looks like ⅜" or so before he gets to the point where manipulating the slide will fire the gun. By that point, the trigger bar has completely depressed the striker block.
In contrast, the Sig P320's trigger was moved less than 1mm (0.039") to create this condition.
Apples and oranges.
Apples and apples.
Apples and apples.
Thaddeus, what do you think about my opinion that the Wyoming guy/wood screw guy, pulled the trigger through pre-travel with his finger, and then set the trigger, with his wood screw, further back, beyond the wall?... In the Wyoming Project video, the P320 actually did fire a primer because the striker safety was in fact fully depressed when the trigger had traveled back less than 1mm. ..
On the 1911 Is the thumb safety on or off? Is the grip safety depressed or not?Thaddeus, what do you think about my opinion that the Wyoming guy/wood screw guy, pulled the trigger through pre-travel with his finger, and then set the trigger, with his wood screw, further back, beyond the wall?
So the trigger got pulled, and then pushed, with/by external forces.
I think common sense says that trigger pull begins with eliminating the pre-travel/take up, and that the wood screw guy, using the screw, set, by his own definitions, the trigger sightly behind the beginning of the wall. At that point, he manipulated the slide and the striker was released.
Bang!
Say you had a 1911 with, say, a 2.5 lb trigger. And, say you put, using whatever device, 2.4 lbs of pressure on the trigger. And then, say you manipulated the slide.
Do you think the hammer would fall?
I think you understand my point, even if I have expressed it badly. Tell me how the situation with the P320 screw guy and the 1911 above are different?
(Not being argumentative — would truly like to understand.)
The compelling points that Wood Screw Guy made about the P320 were:Thaddeus, what do you think about my opinion that the Wyoming guy/wood screw guy, pulled the trigger through pre-travel with his finger, and then set the trigger, with his wood screw, further back, beyond the wall?
So the trigger got pulled, and then pushed, with/by external forces.
I think common sense says that trigger pull begins with eliminating the pre-travel/take up, and that the wood screw guy, using the screw, set, by his own definitions, the trigger sightly behind the beginning of the wall. At that point, he manipulated the slide and the striker was released.
Bang!
Say you had a 1911 with, say, a 2.5 lb trigger. And, say you put, using whatever device, 2.4 lbs of pressure on the trigger. And then, say you manipulated the slide.
Do you think the hammer would fall?
I think you understand my point, even if I have expressed it badly. Tell me how the situation with the P320 screw guy and the 1911 above are different?
(Not being argumentative — would truly like to understand.)
This may have been discussed somewhere else in this thread, but I would still like to clarify something... The military version of the P320, the M17/M18, has a thumb safety. Correct? How does this thumb safety work? How reliable is it in preventing the striker from hitting the primer of the loaded cartridge, no matter what? I wonder if the USAF man's pistol had it's thumb safety in the FIRE position when it was in his holster. Or was it set to SAFE? Have there been other verified cases of M17/M18 military pistols firing unexpectedly? I notice that the Army, Navy, and Marines have not stopped using them.