Sig P320 spontaneous discharges?

Hey, I'm in the minority. I was going to give a pass, but I wanted a flat trigger. When I called to get the (free) re-work done I mentioned I wanted the trigger (and would pay for it). Gun went free, got the treatment, and I got a flat trigger.

I never had a real concern about "spontaneous" discharge, but as long as Sig was picking up the tab, why not.
 
okiegtrider said:
Judge sides with SIG Sauer in accidental shooting lawsuit | Fox Business
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Not much of a big picture win for Sig. The plaintiff claimed his gun discharged in his holster, and that he bought it because a 2016 advertisement from Sig said it would “only go off when you want it to”. Sig said in 2016 they didn’t know their gun would go around shooting its owners willy-nilly. The judge agreed.

Sig didn’t argue it didn’t happen, just that he didn’t prove they knew it could happen at the time.

That ad is gone now.
 
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First off, I like Sig and I do own a SIG P365 (not the model in question, but I do like the brand). So a few comments and questions here if I may.

Why the P320 in particular? Isn't the design and basic build pretty much the same as other Sig's? What is unique to this model?

Percentage wise, how many AD's occurred as compared to other brands and similar models? We do know it is a very popular model.

Just because a particular individual is a Police Officer, law enforcement agent or someone supposedly familiar with firearms, does not mean they did not do something in error. Not saying they did, but I have seen many so called "experts" do stupid things! No one is immune!

I know for a fact that today's training and firearms maintenance by certain Gov't agency's is in my opinion lacking and minimized. Training, paid on the job range time is limited as is ammunition for such purpose. Again, not defending the P320 as I don't own one and have no personal experience with one, but with many people carrying this model, accidents are going to be higher in numbers. We need to look at percentages - not just raw numbers!

What exactly was the Sig voluntary recall all about? What was done when the gun was returned to Sig? Maybe there really is an issue with the P320 - after all, it is a mechanical devise and design and construction flaws are nothing new! Or.... is this just about money and bringing Sig down? I guess we will find out!

Just some thoughts here - reminds me of what brought Remington down.
 
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Its not like other SIG’s. Its basically a modular Glock. It evolved from the P250 which is a hammer fired gun.

Both ate drastically different from any other Sig offering.
 
sigp220.45 said:
Not much of a big picture win for Sig. The plaintiff claimed his gun discharged in his holster, and that he bought it because a 2016 advertisement from Sig said it would “only go off when you want it to”. Sig said in 2016 they didn’t know their gun would go around shooting its owners willy-nilly. The judge agreed.

Sig didn’t argue it didn’t happen, just that he didn’t prove they knew it could happen at the time.

That ad is gone now.
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Sounds like the suit was for the wrong thing. They should have sued for a dangerous/defective gun, not that the company lied. Maybe they thought they could prove the company lied easier than the gun was defective.

Rosewood
 
sigp220.45 said:
Sig didn’t argue it didn’t happen, just that he didn’t prove they knew it could happen at the time.
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...and that's the elephant in the room. If guns are going off all on their own or that's total nonsense, the way Sig chose to handle these issues is what's causing so much drama.

In the original fiasco when the guns were found to be not-so drop safe, Sig chose to gaslight and issued a "free upgrade" instead of coming clean about it and doing a proper recall.

So whether the goes-off-in-holster problem is real or not, do I trust Sig to be upfront about it? No, empirically they obfuscate so I have to believe they're doing so now. If I were the purchase decision maker at a police department, that alone would prevent me from buying the P320.

All companies large and small have product issues, it's how they handle them that demonstrates their integrity. Right now Sig, in my view, has no integrity.
 
Mainsail said:
...and that's the elephant in the room. If guns are going off all on their own or that's total nonsense, the way Sig chose to handle these issues is what's causing so much drama.

In the original fiasco when the guns were found to be not-so drop safe, Sig chose to gaslight and issued a "free upgrade" instead of coming clean about it and doing a proper recall.

So whether the goes-off-in-holster problem is real or not, do I trust Sig to be upfront about it? No, empirically they obfuscate so I have to believe they're doing so now. If I were the purchase decision maker at a police department, that alone would prevent me from buying the P320.

All companies large and small have product issues, it's how they handle them that demonstrates their integrity. Right now Sig, in my view, has no integrity.
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If so, you would have to add Glock and Remington to your list and probably others.
 
If the guns fired while in the holsters, maybe it's time \someone should examine the holsters.
 
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I was rather concerned about reading all this disturbing news until I realized that the pistol under discussion was striker-fired, anyway.

Guess I need to mind my own business.

Sincerely,
Elmer Fudd
 
Doug M. said:
I have seen a lot of frivolous lawsuits. Most of the ones against cops are of that type. I deal with low quality lawyers on a regular basis and it makes me angry. How is this for scary: I'm a prosecutor, and like many of my friends, just horrified at some of the low quality work (malpractice) I have seen from DEFENSE attorneys...
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Not to hijack this thread but this describes the goodbye kiss I got after 40+ years of LE service, a “false arrest” lawsuit in which I never even laid eyes on the plaintiff, let alone arrested her. The case was filed after I retired by the biggest shyster lawyer in town. Of course I gave the deposition on my own time (w/o compensation, because I place a high value on my reputation) and it was ultimately dismissed. I know a few like this but the vast majority of defense attorneys wouldn’t have taken the case. My guess is the shyster thought I’d ignore the subpoena.

As far at this voluntary recall, SIG should take a lesson from Ruger, who (AFAIK) has never even placed a time limit on any their recalls.
 
I hate to POUR cold water on all this...especially all the lawyers looking to make a strike, BUT:
EVEN IF the sear were to be "bumped" out of engagement, without the trigger being pulled and HELD to the rear. the striker block would not allow the striker to move forward - at all. SIG knows this. Everyone who understands how gun parts work knows this.

I see a LOT of "just holstered before the gun fired" comments and that makes sense when you consider how many Kydex and even leather holsters have a recessed area over the trigger.

The SIG P320 has a WIDE trigger that stretches almost to each side of the trigger guard. When holster, the depressed section of a holster can EASILY sweep the trigger back - removing all "take-up" and placing the trigger in a "let-off" situation. A bump, joggle, or jounce can cause the gun to move enough so the trigger is fully pulled to the rear BY THE HOLSTER to cause the gun to fire.
The solution isn't to sue SIG, it's to sue all the holstermakers who send out holsters with the trigger area "dished in" that apply pressure to the trigger!
Of course nobody wants to admit this might be the issue becaus there's no MONEY in it, and all the die-hard SIG fan-girls are more about what they THINK will be an easy $$$ strike over the gun!
 
I owned three of the earliest versions and now have an Xcarry and to my surprise they have never fired without me pulling the trigger. I for one dont believe these guns are firing on there own
 
My BIL is a very successful personal injury attorney with his own practice. He employs 20-30 people and is a pillar in his community. He sponsors many civic activities and donates his time and money. A more generous person would be hard to find. So I know at least one attorney pretty well.

Having said that, I love attorney jokes.

What's the difference between a dead attorney and a dead skunk, both in the middle of the road?

The skunk has skid marks near it.

I don't own a striker pistol so I'll reserve comment on how safe they are.
 
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