Is the tabbed trigger safety necessary? Part 2

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For anyone who thinks the so-called tabbed trigger or pivoting trigger is unnecessary on striker-fired pistol, you may feel free to go about with your head in the sand if you want, but before you do, please watch both of the brief videos at this link before you talk about all the reasons inertial firing cannot happen.

Taurus drop test video - The Firearm Blog

I notice that SIG Sauer touts the lack of the tabbed trigger on its pistol, the P320, which is the present darling of new pistol acquisitions by agencies and the US Military.

There might, however, be "trouble in paradise":

BREAKING: P320 Recall Issued By Dallas Police | Prohibited From Duty Till Repaired - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog

SIG is denying a problem:

Official Statement :SIG Sauer Reaffirms Safety of the P-320 pistol./ DPD Is In The Process Of Giving The Ok To Again Allow Officers To Carry The P-320. - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog

After the Dallas problem was put to bed, then this video testing of the P320 comes along. It seems pretty clear the P320 is NOT drop safe, at least when dropped on its rear, which is the whole reason all of the other striker-fired pistols have a tabbed or pivoting trigger.

SIG can say all it wants that their pistol passes all the "official" and government and agency tests, none of which seem to require a pistol to be drop safe when the pistol is dropped on its rear. I don't know about you, but that is the one that bothers me the most, since the projectile will, by definition, be fired up toward people when the pistol lands on its rear end.

See the video:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7si_VQsGA[/ame]

Again, for those who came in late, the pivoting trigger or tabbed trigger on polymer pistols is not, first and foremost, a manual safety. It is really a device to prevent inertial discharge if the weapon is dropped on its rear. The firing pin safety serves the same purpose if the weapon is dropped on its front.

And remember that thumb safeties on striker fired pistols do not block the sear or hammer as they do in the 1911, they only block rearward movement of the trigger bar. In a striker fired pistol, the thumb safety has not one thing to do with stopping the firing of the pistol by any means other than by stopping the user from pulling the trigger (or, at least making it more difficult), by interfering with the movement of the trigger bar. The second video at the top (Taurus) demonstrates this very clearly.

Finally, for those who think these videos were rigged, or whatever, please do your homework concerning the class action suit against the maker in these videos at the top of this post (Taurus) because this problem is so widespread and well known.

No such suits have been filed against SIG as this post is modified and SIG denies a problem in the design, and also denies that there have been any unintended discharges with its P320.
 
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Very interesting. In the first example it looks like the TRIGGER that moves with inertia. Usually we are worried about the firing pin slamming forward when the gun is dropped muzzle down. Cannot quite see if the trigger moves first or not with the other guns.
 
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Yes, in video 1, it IS the trigger that is moving with inertia. Note that the designers of the pistols shown apparently did not understand about inertia or the actual reason for the trigger safety (whether tabbed as on the Glock, or hinged as on the S&W).

In video 2, it is the firing pin that is causing the firing by inertia.

Dangerous.
 
Hmmmmm. So - if you don't buy plastic hammerless guns, you don't need to worry about it?

Then I'm golden.

I not only don't buy them but a person can't run fast enough to will me one. I have told people for years instead of trying to find a way to carry them safely or use a safer holster the best thing to do is carry a safer pistol. I keep getting told that I am a stupid old man that doesn't know anything about guns but at least I am not shooting myself in the leg. Larry
 

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