Sigma bashing...

[xsquid]

I don't bash sigma's but lets be fair. I'm willing to bet maybe some of them were like me and jumped on the bandwagon and bought one of the first sigmas. I paid 600.00 and they were flying off the shelf, then when the debacle with being sued by glock happened they became pretty worthless. Many places would not even take them as a trade in. I sold mine on gunbroker a few years ago and barely managed to get 250.00 with a galco holster and mag carrier thrown in, it took listing it several times.

I do not bash sigma's at all, never have and will not, but it left a bad taste in my mouth and I would not buy another sigma. Maybe some of the bashers were in the same boat as me and are more vocal? I do know that was when the sigma bashing/hating started and it's still lingering.

I did not register to post this, I came looking for info on the E series 1911's coming out. More power to you sigma guys, I actually loved mine (apart from the way things went) and wish I had not sold it actually. I do know a lot of people had a bad taste in their mouth from what happened, just wanted to point that out as a possible reason some bash. I don't think everyone that bashes them does so because they "can't figure them out". I had mine 10-12 years and there was really nothing to figure out.

Again, more power to you sigma guys, I think with a better start things would have been different.

 

[HspncElvis]

Some Sigma bashers have commented on their performance, Trigger, etc. If not here on other threads. They can't shoot it accurately so they blame the Sigma. I blame the shooter. Those of us who can shoot it accurately have "figured it out". Practice! Not going to be dead on with every handgun right out of the box.

Glad you enjoyed your Sigma.

 

[xsquid]

People have different standards also, that's just the way it is.

Yes, I enjoyed my sigma for years.

 

[Maximumbob54]

I bought a SW40VE years ago. It had the stainless slide with a dark gray frame. I absolutely loved the way it was molded like it was made for my hand. BUT, I’m with the group that gave up on trying to get used to the fifteen pound trigger pull. I’m estimating the 15 pound because the only trigger pull scale I could find to borrow stopped at either twelve or fourteen pounds. After on box of ammo my finger was out of gas. I tried taking it to a local gunsmith and he all but told me to pack sand over it. I was a little surprised. So I ended up selling it off. Now I kind of miss the thing and wish I had bought a hand exercise tool or something. It really didn’t help that the only other pistol I had at the time was a 1911. Maybe it spoiled me.

 

[xsquid]

Sigma's are good pistol's for the money, so are hi point's. That does not mean they are in the same category as higher priced pistols. Someone coming from higher priced pistols will be more likely to notice the trigger, fit and finish, etc. That's to be expected and that does not mean they did not "figure it out" just that they got what they paid for and probably expected more. People like that are better off with the m&p, people that want a decent pistol cheap then the sigma is for you. Not everyone is the same.

Not figuring something out or not being smart enough to use or understand something (like "you were not smart enough to get that movie, thats why you did not like it") is kind of an argument when you have no argument. People are different, period.

The Sigma is a good pistol for the price, but if it was a great pistol they would be selling like hotcakes and the price would be double.

I tried taking it to a local gunsmith and he all but told me to pack sand over it. I was a little surprised.

Yep, around here gunsmiths still will not work on them or take them in trade. M&P's are different though.

 

[.357 mag]

The Sigma is a good pistol for the price, but if it was a great pistol they would be selling like hotcakes and the price would be double.

The Sigma is or at least was Smith's #1 selling pistol. Just saying.

 

[HspncElvis]

357, you are correct, sir.

I'll put it this way. My Sigma does exactly what I want it to do.

 

[Maximumbob54]

You are hitting a little close to home there, so I feel a need to explain from... I guess the other side. I own a Glock 17 2nd Gen. I bought it about a year after departing from my Sigma 40VE. First off let me say I hate, despise, and can't stand the grip feel, grip angle, grip size, or grip anything about the Glock. But when I shoot it I'm not sitting there thinking in my head, "Man this is one heavy trigger... Is this thing ever going to go off?? I mean I'm pulling on this trigger here and I can't for the life of me figure outBBBBBAAAAANNNNNNGGGGG!!!!! OMG it just shocked me because I wasn't even thinking it was about to finally go off! I mean yes, I'm pulling on the trigger so I know it had to some time, but it was either my fore arm just burst or the gun went off..." Yes I exaggerate and not I don't sound like that when I talk. I'm just trying to write how it feels. You either choose to get used to the Sigma trigger issue or hot potato it. I have read elsewhere there is something about simply removing a spring and suddenly the Sigma is a pussycat. I have no idea because I was too frustrated with it. And when a gunsmith who has been in the firearms business way too many years all but yells at me to get that thing out of his shop I figured enough was enough. Did I buy the Glock to replace the Sigma? NO. I bought it because I wanted to know what all the big talk about Glock was all about. Mine has been fired and tortured in ways that I shouldn't have, and it is still going strong. I'm in no doubt the Sigma is also a tank. But the fact is that Sigma owners (who are happy) are kind of a rare animal while Glock owners are about as common as frat boys. I don't even like the thing and I will still say good things about it. And I loved the Sigma feel but that trigger was so abysmal that it still gets threads with titles like "Sigma Bashing..." So it is what it is. You either like it or don't. Just like the Glock. I chose to put up with bad grip for decent trigger. You chose to put up with bad trigger for decent grip. OK, possibly one of the best grips ever done. I will give it that much.

 

[MDLNB]

I just recently purchased my new sigma. I mentioned that earlier. Here's my two pesos:

I am a senior(60+) so I have fired quite a few weapons, either in the military, LE or as a civilian. I have fired and/or carried revolvers and autos.

In the 70's I carried a Ruger security six as my duty weapon(had a family and couldn't afford a S&W or Colt), with a little AMT backup .380 pocket pistol as my backup. Everyone razzed me about my Ruger "other gun" until I started challenging them to a shooting match. I won most of them. I worked on my Ruger and it was a piece of art. It was still considered an "other gun."

I recently sold my 40S&W EAA Witness because it cost too much to plink in the back yard. I wanted a 9mm(cheaper ammo). And since I am retired, I wanted one cheap. I was going to buy a Hi-Point, but made enough on my gun sale to afford what I consider a big step up....a Sigma. I got a good deal on line. I had already read all the negative things about trigger pull. Who cares? I am not a competition shooter. I plink and will use this pistol for SD at home. I carry a Ruger LCP for my concealed carry weapon of choice. I digress.

So, I get home and quickly open the pretty new blue plastic case. Wow, she's nice and she has two 16 round mags too. Picking it up, I snap the slide back and pull the trigger. Nice! Weird! Let me try it again. I repeat it several times, trying to feel the gritty trigger pull. Nothing. Smooth. I slowly pull the trigger. Not bad. Maybe a little hard to some folks. Not any worst than a revolver, but maybe just a tad heavier. Hmmm. So, they must have improved it somewhat. It was nothing like I expected. So, I got my tools out and proceeded to tear it down. Examining the parts, I noticed quality machining. Hmm, interesting. Not at all what I was led to believe reading all the crap on here. That's ok, I still took the dremel and some polishing compound and mirrored the working parts. I also polished the feed ramp to the chamber. I wiped it all down and put just a pin point of white lube in several places.

I took the piece out and fired two mags of ball ammo. Wow, right on target. I even hit the tinny little red dot on the bulls eye at about 30 feet. The gun feels great in my hand. One of the best without a pachmayr grip. My son-in-law and I traded out between my sigma and his Glock 17. He liked my sight and the grip. He fired way to the left with his Glock, but was actually better with my sigma. I like the trigger pull weight on his Glock but did not quite care for the breaking point and the way it resets. That's just a matter of opinion. I would take one if someone gave me one, or an equal deal as I received on my Sigma.

SO, I think that a lot of the Sigma stigma originated with the earlier versions and some folks haven't tried one of the new versions. Mine is excellent. Like I said, it ain't a competition pistol. Although, mine could be competitive IF I was to make some alterations to it. It shoots straight.

By the way, I also have a 1968 Mustang. Is it stock? Nope. Wasn't it a good product when it was stock? Yep. But, anything can be improved on and my Mustang is a better car now than when it was new in 1968.

If you are worried about a SD gun being accurate, then you are missing the point. How often would you shoot at a burglar where you would have to shoot further than 15'? Like I have said before, if you can't hit a target that big at 15' or closer, then perhaps that baseball bat would also be too much for ya. I'm sorry but I only have one room in my house that is a bit longer than 15', so I doubt I will need anything more than the assurance that this thing will fire when I pull the trigger. It will. I know I only shot one box of rounds through it so far, but I had zero problems. I will let you know if I ever do have a problem. Sorry to disappoint those bashers on here. You may be right. Maybe I need to fire a couple of thousand rounds without cleaning it so that I can have a FTF or FTE. I'll let you know. Not a bad pistol for under $300. Let me know if you see a Glock advertised for that price, NEW. I'll pick one up.

 

[Maximumbob54]

I did buy my Sigma when they had just done the initial changes from the Glock lawsuit. Maybe the trigger pull was altered in a way that has been modified at this point. All I remember is that it was a very heavy trigger and felt like it had some stacking or staging issues. I’m not sure of the proper term. I do remember it giving me a blister on my finger one range trip. And that was when I was still a deck seaman in the Navy. So, no I didn’t have silky soft skin. The pivot point in the trigger really rubbed hard on the heavy trigger pull. I’m not trying to say you could spell out Smith and Wesson as you pulled the trigger like spelling Colt as you pull the hammer. It was just hard and rough enough that even back in those tight money days I wanted to try a trip to a gun smith. He was an honest smith who actually worked on guns. He didn’t just mount scopes and send guns off and charge you a mark up for work someone else did. So when he showed his disgust with it I listened and he left an impression on me about them. If today they have fixed the trigger issue then so much the better. And I won’t deny Glock fanboys rip on anything they can sometimes. Maybe I am missing the point as I don’t feel like I am Sigma bashing.

For the talk about the Security Six: Ruger gets a bad rap about being a bottom shelf brand. They get slammed for their use of investment casting. They get mocked about the quality of their trigger pull, looks, or overall design. But they are built like tanks, with some minor effort can have a trigger just as slick, and last like they are the undead. I bet that poster is far from the only person who has shown a fanboy a thing or two with Security Six.

 

[LTMEMORY]

I am in a security position, and retired from a large police department.

A few years ago I had to go to a required "In Service" to do with my profession. Of course, I took my 9mm SW9VE, to the range for the qualification stint.

Right off the bat, I heard the cat calls, and the howls, from the guys (and a couple of women, too) who were carrying the Glocks, CZ's, Hi-power's, Sig's and the like.

I probably heard the term "get a REAL gun" so many times and in many, many different ways --- but it all boiled down to --- cheap gun -- how funny -- how dare you carry such a piece of S***!

-------------- until the targets were fired at.

It silenced them in a "New York minute". I qualified higher than just one other person -- and he was a retired firearms instructor from the Marine Corps. He never said anything all day, and he was carrying a 9mm MP. When he fired MY gun -- he turned and exclaimed that it was NOTHING as he had been led to believe and WAS a "damned easy gun to shoot".

Granted, I have had the internals polished a bit, and have probably put at least 5000 rounds through it --- and cannot even begin to count the amount of dry-firing -- BUT -- the VE stood out as impressive and truly changed the tune of a bunch of "nay-sayers" that day.

 

[Deltaboy]

I love mine and I get good groups and I carry it during the winter.