Silvertips, anyone?

[JGR_LV]

Too true...

...and it's not the worst example. Other examples of that kind of incomplete thinking are the folks that start hyperventilating over the idea of sending a 16-year old to school with a gun, but see nothing wrong with having him get there in a vehicle with the potential energy of a 75mm round, or the ones that go all faint at the sight of an Uzi with the accuracy of a well-pitched baseball or an AR-15 with a pistol grip, but are okay with a nice walnut-stocked "hunting rifle" like a scoped .300 Win. Mag that can explode your head at 500 yards. Where do they think sniper rifles come from? I blame it on the abject failure of our educational system to teach critical thinking skills.

 

[shotgun693]

Do a study of the FBI Dade County Shooting. ST ammo performed exactly like the FBI requested it to, they were the ones to insist on it's development. The rounds completely failed in a real world gunfight. If one Agent had not managed to get a shotgun every agent would have been killed. I do not know about the new ones but avoid the old stuff like a fat ugly woman

 

[Nevada Ed]

I don't mind..............

I am still saving up all my money with all this down time........
with the price that they want for that ammo, I almost have enough for two boxes of 38 special 110gr !!

 

[Goblin]

I've purchased the bullets alone and reloaded them, but they're pricey. Good times, bthugh.

 

[CCantu357]

I have a hard time finding Silvertip ammo. Have a box of .357 Silvertip on my desk as I type this. Great ammo, they should bring it back. Especially in .357, .41, and 10mm.

 

[Boge]

Bought some .44 Special Silvertips recently, I'm pretty sure they were new stock.

Nope, Win. hasn't made a run of those in three years or better. They told me in an e-mail and said perhaps late in 2015. No one has had any on years on the Internet. I use them in a Bulldog as denim/gel tests show it to work best out of a snubby whereas the Gold Dot in that cal. is worthless in a snubby. i.e., zero mushroom in a certified test (not shooting water jugs like a Redneck).

 

[petepeterson]

Do a study of the FBI Dade County Shooting. ST ammo performed exactly like the FBI requested it to, they were the ones to insist on it's development. The rounds completely failed in a real world gunfight. If one Agent had not managed to get a shotgun every agent would have been killed. I do not know about the new ones but avoid the old stuff like a fat ugly woman

You, sir, are a manufacturer's dream.

I think "completely failed" may be a bit of an exaggeration. You may want to re-read that report. Please don't skip over the 10-or-so tactical decisions that determined the outcome of that firefight just to get to the part about 1 bullet "failing," which coincidentally, was more than likely a fatal shot, just not fast enough for the circumstances.

 

[Bozz10mm]

I have an old box of 50 WST in 9mm. Also 60 rounds of Silver Tips in 10mm. I can't remember exactly when I bought them. Probably in the middle 1990's.
They are somewhat older technology and I have since switched my carry ammo to Federal HST.

 

[mrmike7189]

cabelas sell winchester Kinetic HE ammo . It looks like silvertips. take a look and see if you like

 

[eyegots2no]

It maybe a bit off to say they "failed". The ST's in the 9 mm had a good record. That day----it went through Platt's bicep, then entered his chest and stopped in the lung near the heart. The round performed as designed and it did expand. Just a happenstance that in this particular incident, Platt did not quit.

This led FBI to seemingly blame that one bullet, hence, they now want rounds that penetrate a bit deeper---even after hitting wood, wallboard, glass, heavy clothing etc.

as for 357---the 125 gr JHP's seemed to work the best according to Sanow.

 

[LimaCharlie]

I prefer Winchester Silvertips 175 grain 10mm in my Colt Delta Elites. I buy them whenever I find them and have a stockpile. I went to a local gun show about a year ago and a dealer had twelve boxes on his table for $15.95 a box. I bought all of them. I have not seen any in a LGS in a couple of years.

 

[Don 73]

I had a box of 147 gr silvertips that I "field tested" (redneck, hillbilly style) into a mud bank along with some Win +P+ 115 gr hps out of my then carry gun a Beretta 92FS.

The 115s as you would expect, basically exploded with only the jackets being recovered from a huge deep hole. The 147 gr Silvertips were recovered whole, perfectly expanded from a huge DEEPER hole. I was extremely impressed with the 147s and would carry them in my 9c without hesitation if I wasn't already carrying the Ranger 127 gr +P+ "T" series rounds (which are issued and required carry BTW).

Those heavy silvertips changed my mind about the 147s in 9mm, seeing as how Jacket Construction plays such a large part in terminal performance. Note how the extremely SOFT silvertip jacket didn't hamper expansion and how the (relatively) HARD brass jacket of the "T" series and the Golden Saber rounds are heavily pre-cut and designed to be able to expand at handgun velocities.

I'm at the point now where I would feel confident in almost any modern round where as much thought has gone into jacket material and construction as these modern rounds have had, other than just "let's make it a hollowpoint" and call it a day.

 

[Mehutch]

I have several hundred factory boxes of Silvertips in each caliber,.357, 41 Mag, 44 Mag, 45 Colt. I also reloaded a 1000 in each caliber and 2000 in the 357 mag. Still have them. Those were the days when reloading was cheaper and factory ammo was $9 to $10 a box. And I still have several factory reload boxes in 145gr 357, if I run out. Years ago I was thinking ahead. I could not do that today.

Here are a few...

 

[Boge]

I had a box of 147 gr silvertips that I "field tested" (redneck, hillbilly style) into a mud bank along with some Win +P+ 115 gr hps out of my then carry gun a Beretta 92FS.

The 115s as you would expect, basically exploded with only the jackets being recovered from a huge deep hole. The 147 gr Silvertips were recovered whole, perfectly expanded from a huge DEEPER hole. I was extremely impressed with the 147s and would carry them in my 9c without hesitation if I wasn't already carrying the Ranger 127 gr +P+ "T" series rounds (which are issued and required carry BTW).

Those heavy silvertips changed my mind about the 147s in 9mm, seeing as how Jacket Construction plays such a large part in terminal performance. Note how the extremely SOFT silvertip jacket didn't hamper expansion and how the (relatively) HARD brass jacket of the "T" series and the Golden Saber rounds are heavily pre-cut and designed to be able to expand at handgun velocities.

I'm at the point now where I would feel confident in almost any modern round where as much thought has gone into jacket material and construction as these modern rounds have had, other than just "let's make it a hollowpoint" and call it a day.

This is a perfect example of deducing something that Street results just don't back up in that the Win. 115 gr. +p+ had a legendary Street history & the 147 gr. ST did not. I still have some of the RA9115HP+.

http://winchesterle.com/Lists/CatalogAmmo/Attachments/8/RA9115HP.pdf