okiegtrider
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Exactly how I learned to use the semi auto pistol. Count me as firmly seated in the tapping, slapping, smacking, bopping the base of the magazine crowd.
Smacking the base of a mag
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Exactly how I learned to use the semi auto pistol. Count me as firmly seated in the tapping, slapping, smacking, bopping the base of the magazine crowd.
Except you'd have to reload that revolver once or twice to get as many rounds as that Glock or M&P holds, and those reloads would, for most people, but noticeably slower lol
Then again you can't "limp wrist" a revolver due to injury or fatigue or any other result of a deadly force encounter
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peachhead
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True but I generally hope I don't have to shoot more than 6 times.
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I generally hope I don't have to shoot at all. Or even reach for a gun.
We don't always get our way.
peachhead
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My 7 round shield mag is tight as well. I can't just gingerly insert the full mag into it when it's loaded +1. But, I don't have to smack the base to seat it either. That's what I'm referring to in the OP. A good firm push on the base with my firing hand (right) over the top/rear of the slide and it will seat with audible (click) and tactile feedback that it's in place. It's a controlled and deliberate motion. I like to be controlled and deliberate when I'm handling weapons.
You can feel and hear when the mag is locked into place, yes?
And that's the point of my OP: yes, there are hard to insert mags - but you don't have have to hit them. Forcing something spring loaded and mechanical, with authority, into place with a hard rap is rarely the solution for something.
Please note: I'm not talking about running a course or in an actual gunfight. I'm talking about at the range, or loading up a carry weapon.
Can I hear my AR mag lock into place when I'm on the firing line with ear protectors on standing next to a guy who's firing their weapon? No I can't. The first thing I do after inserting a mag into an AR is to give it a whack to make sure it's locked in. I then give it a tug to make sure it's really locked in. Works for me.
I have been using the same 4 AR mags for over 30 years and they still work fine. My little routine hasn't caused them any harm.
I have been using the same 4 AR mags for over 30 years and they still work fine. My little routine hasn't caused them any harm.
I have never seen nor heard of anyone advocating this loading procedure. I understand you are referring to an administrative loading. However, having a totally different administrative loading procedure from what is taught universally doesn't make sense to me. I see no advantage.
You do this because the slide is closed--with a round in the chamber--and therefore the mag is difficult to seat. Is that right? If so, your "controlled and deliberate" sounds unsafe to me.
If there is no round in the chamber and the slide is closed when you load like this, wouldn't it just be easier to lock the slide back and load without resistance with your firing hand on the grip controlling the pistol?
Or do you use this method when the slide is locked back?
I really do not understand what you are advocating.
"Smacking" a mag home seems more controlled and deliberate to me than putting one hand over the top of a loaded pistol and using the other to push the mag into the magwell. If this is not what you are doing (loaded chamber), then you have apparently made up a new administrative loading method that just doesn't flow with other pistol manipulations.
Maybe some others could post if they use this firing-hand-over-the-top method.
Personally, I would never teach nor advocate this method to anyone, especially when there are numerous other proven, safe, controlled and deliberate administrative loading procedures available.
All administrative handling of a loaded firearm increases the chance of an unintentional discharge.
Removing your firing hand from the grip (so how ARE you holding it then?), re-gripping the gun in a way it was not designed to be handled when loaded, then inserting a mag and then re-gripping the gun (again, how are you holding it?) in a firing grip complicates a simple process by adding extra, complex steps. How do you position your upper hand to keep the gun pointed down range?
None of these manipulations make your process as safe or safer than simply continuing to grip the gun in a proper firing grip and inserting a loaded mag with enough force to seat it.
Removing your firing hand from the grip (so how ARE you holding it then?), re-gripping the gun in a way it was not designed to be handled when loaded, then inserting a mag and then re-gripping the gun (again, how are you holding it?) in a firing grip complicates a simple process by adding extra, complex steps. How do you position your upper hand to keep the gun pointed down range?
None of these manipulations make your process as safe or safer than simply continuing to grip the gun in a proper firing grip and inserting a loaded mag with enough force to seat it.
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I learned to seat mags firmly from a WWII vet. Whatever it took. A mag that could / would fall out at the wrong moment was at least career ending, if not life ending.
Mags are cheap if you are still around to replace one damaged with a heavy hand.
Mags are cheap if you are still around to replace one damaged with a heavy hand.
I can see your point, well said.
Lets see if I can explain this:
I load the gun +1 from the mag and remove the mag, firing hand on the grip. I set the gun down pointed in a safe direction because I need to top off the mag (there's really no way to top off a mag without both hands). I top off the mag.
I pick up the gun with my off hand on the grip (grip is facing left, I'm a righty) as I simultaneously grasp the top of the slide with my (right) firing hand over the top/rear of the slide: thumb on one side and fingers on the other - thumb and fingers are on opposite sides of the grip - at this point I'm briefly holding the gun with two hands. The gun is pointed in a safe direction and controlled. With my off hand, I pick up the mag and insert it, seating forcefully with the palm of my off (left) hand. If the mag is particularly hard to seat, I rock it - it usually seats with an audible and tactile click.
That definition reads pretty long - it's not really that complicated.
What's important to note is that the force I'm applying is 180 degrees opposite of the force of the hand holding the gun - it is more controlled. When the pistol is gripped and a mag slapped, the force is 90 degrees to the force holding it. The slapping method is made even less controlled on guns with small grips (such as the shield) because most people can only manage two fingers on the grip with the pinkie dangling off the bottom (the trigger finger is off the trigger and doesn't contribute to the grip either).
My opinion is my method is more controlled and less prone to losing the gun during the loading of the mag.
And again, for what it's worth, I do see your point, but I don't think what I do is unsafe (doesn't violate any safety rules, the gun is pointed in a safe direction and always controlled).
I don't shoot any of those. And tickle the mag release was sarcasm - I realize that's lost with the message.
Yes, if you're shooting a course where time is of the essence, slap away at your mags. I disagree with doing it otherwise.
susieqz
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you know, some guns require a good whack, not just to seat the mag, but to position that first bullet.
if i gently insert any mag into my 22/45, the gun may load n the gun may not.
if i whack the mag in, the nose of the round tilts up n it always gets picked up n chambered.
others with the same gun need to do this too.
if i gently insert any mag into my 22/45, the gun may load n the gun may not.
if i whack the mag in, the nose of the round tilts up n it always gets picked up n chambered.
others with the same gun need to do this too.
one eye joe
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IN A COMBAT SITUATION, IN THE HEAT OF BATTLE, WHEN YOUR LIFE IS ON THE LINE, I DOUBT IF ANYONE WILL BE ROCKIN' AND TICKLING'. AT LEAST, I NEVER OBSERVED IT. THAT MIGHT WORK FINE, WHEN NO ONE IS SHOOTING BACK......
AS A TRAINER, I WOULD RATHER SEE SOMEONE DEVELOP ONE SINGLE TECHNIQUE, THAT WILL SERVE THEM WELL, IN ANY AND ALL SITUATIONS-- AND PUT IT INTO PRACTICE, ROUTINELY.......
I qualified with a semi automatic handgun for 23 years. My first qualification, my first reload I inserted the magazine with what I thought was sufficient force and it promptly fell out after the first shot I fired.
You may choose to execute your reloads as you please. I'll use the palm of my off hand to violently set the magazine. Never damaged a gun and never damaged a magazine. More importantly, never had a mag drop again.
You may choose to execute your reloads as you please. I'll use the palm of my off hand to violently set the magazine. Never damaged a gun and never damaged a magazine. More importantly, never had a mag drop again.
one eye joe
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I HAVE TO ROLL WITH retiredbadge8091, ON THIS. MY GREATEST FAMILIARITY IS WITH COLT 1911s, AND MAGAZINE FED MILITARY LONG ARMS, (M1 CARBINE, M14 AND M16) I NEVER DROPPED A MAG, NEVER DAMAGED A MAG, AND NEVER DAMAGED A WEAPON.....
I GRAVITATED TO THOSE SAME WEAPONS IN CIVILIAN LIFE, FOR 40 YEARS OR SO, AND CARRIED A FULL SIZE 1911, FOR MOST OF THAT TIME. NOW IN MY MID 70s, I HAVE MOVED AWAY FROM LONG GUNS AND SEMI-AUTO PISTOLS, DUE TO PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS. I AM NOW DEEP INTO A RENEWED LOVE AFFAIR WITH S&W AND COLT DA REVOLVERS, THAT I ALSO OWNED ALL ALONG, WHICH I CAN MANIPULATE, AND SHOOT WELL, WITH MY ONE HAND THAT STILL FUNCTIONS......
I GRAVITATED TO THOSE SAME WEAPONS IN CIVILIAN LIFE, FOR 40 YEARS OR SO, AND CARRIED A FULL SIZE 1911, FOR MOST OF THAT TIME. NOW IN MY MID 70s, I HAVE MOVED AWAY FROM LONG GUNS AND SEMI-AUTO PISTOLS, DUE TO PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS. I AM NOW DEEP INTO A RENEWED LOVE AFFAIR WITH S&W AND COLT DA REVOLVERS, THAT I ALSO OWNED ALL ALONG, WHICH I CAN MANIPULATE, AND SHOOT WELL, WITH MY ONE HAND THAT STILL FUNCTIONS......
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Kodiakco
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Buy a second mag and lose about half those steps.
1. Insert mag into gun
2. Drop/rack slide
3. Remove mag
4. Insert full mag into gun
5. Done!
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