nocents
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OMG....say it ain't so
.......I have a SP101 also.....I'm selln'.......................................naw
So Who's Selling Off Their 3rd Gens Due to Lack of Parts
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OMG....say it ain't so
.......I have a SP101 also.....I'm selln'.......................................naw
The only hand gun I ever had that broke was a Glock 23. It was a near new gun that I bought as my .40 caliber experiment. The first time I took it to the range it stopped going bang when I pulled the trigger.
The trigger spring had broken. I took it back to the dealer and he replaced the spring in about five minutes. No problems with it after that.
The only other "problem" I had was with my 457. As part of the deal I got 7 magazines. Two of those were Pro Mag. The gun wouldn't fire DA and it took me a bit to track it down. For some reason, the Pro Mag magazines wouldn't allow the gun to cycle in DA. I fixed that by giving away the magazines in a Karma with a note of the problem.
The trigger spring had broken. I took it back to the dealer and he replaced the spring in about five minutes. No problems with it after that.
The only other "problem" I had was with my 457. As part of the deal I got 7 magazines. Two of those were Pro Mag. The gun wouldn't fire DA and it took me a bit to track it down. For some reason, the Pro Mag magazines wouldn't allow the gun to cycle in DA. I fixed that by giving away the magazines in a Karma with a note of the problem.
mscampbell2734
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I'm with 18DAI on this. Striker fired plastic guns are ugly.
While I fully understand the durability and reliability factor, unless I'm going to be deployed into some 3rd world s*&thole of a country I'm not going to shoot an ugly gun.
Smith 3rd Gens, Hi-Power, 1911s, CZ-75, real steel guns are on my list.
While I fully understand the durability and reliability factor, unless I'm going to be deployed into some 3rd world s*&thole of a country I'm not going to shoot an ugly gun.
Smith 3rd Gens, Hi-Power, 1911s, CZ-75, real steel guns are on my list.
Big Shrek
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If I can find all the parts to rebuild a rusty 1930's Hi Standard pistol,
the thought if having problems finding parts for a 3rd Gen S&W is laughable.
Any nut who attended shop class in HS can mill 95% of the parts needed...
the remaining few irritating parts can be done with a CNC mini-robot
(those start around $1999) which can also be used for doing a whole lot more
Given the millions of S&W 3rd Gens out there...I'd bet on more than a few
parts MFR's cranking up work lines soon...even if just for a run of firing pins.
the thought if having problems finding parts for a 3rd Gen S&W is laughable.
Any nut who attended shop class in HS can mill 95% of the parts needed...
the remaining few irritating parts can be done with a CNC mini-robot
(those start around $1999) which can also be used for doing a whole lot more
Given the millions of S&W 3rd Gens out there...I'd bet on more than a few
parts MFR's cranking up work lines soon...even if just for a run of firing pins.
lhump1961
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You see your guns in a different light than I do...nothing wrong with that. I have 3rd gens not just because they go "bang" every time...all guns go bang most of the time...I own them because I like the way they go "bang". Bet your life reliable, robust all metal construction, seemingly endless configurations to fit all needs, lookin' good doin' it! And let's not forget another attribute that few gun manufacturers can claim..."Made in the USA".
For those who have guns as a tool...great...I get it...no problem. But I hand selected every single gun I have because it spoke to me in one way or another...plus they're all very good tools as well when called upon.
So some are worried about parts not because there aren't other guns available or out of fear that we may be found unarmed...but because these are the guns we chose. To replace them with something else would be, to me anyway, a downgrade.
Now, don't come after me on this! It's JMHO.
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Arik
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You're right and I probably wouldn't sell if I could go online and order a armorer's kit. I also prefer no mag safety and palm swell rubber grips. Searching for those gets to be annoying. Overall I sold of a 4046, 4006 tactical, two 4506, 4586, two 5946, 1006 and a 1026. I have one 4566 left that I promised to a reletive.
Yea I treat them as tools.
We'll see, maybe the next 4506 or the DA/SA shorter version of said gun I stumble across I'll buy and just find parts for that one to keep on hand. This way I wouldn't need to scrounge for parts for several different 3rd gen
Yea I treat them as tools.
We'll see, maybe the next 4506 or the DA/SA shorter version of said gun I stumble across I'll buy and just find parts for that one to keep on hand. This way I wouldn't need to scrounge for parts for several different 3rd gen
Not selling mine as long as I'm able to handle & shoot them.
Matter of fact, I've got my eye on a late production 3913 TSW that I may buy a little later on.
I know a lot of cops who are planning to buy their issued 3rd gen's as they're being phased out, too. Considering how well they've withstood the abuse usually meted out to them, most of the people who have been carrying them for some years don't seem too overly concerned about "having to have spare parts".
I just tell the folks to replace the mag & recoil springs every now and again, keep them lubed and use good quality ammo made by one of the major American ammo companies.
I like to have spare parts, but then I'm an armorer and it's become a habit. (I've also not needed the significant bulk of the spare parts in which I've invested, but I hang onto them out of habit, just in case I get a call from someone I know who ends up requiring more than a standard cleaning/inspection.)
FWIW, I've gone through more Glock parts for repair, correction & preventive maintenance in the last 2-3 years than anything else. Reminds me ... I've got make a large order for Glock parts. More of our people have started carrying them on & off-duty, and I'm probably going to be needing even more spare parts for them.
Might even get around to ordering some of the latest revisions of some M&P pistol parts, too, as those are coming online pretty soon. Cops can be hard on guns. Then, there's the few guys who somehow don't seem to think that "Don't Modify duty guns" applies to them, and aftermarket parts have to be pulled from guns and new parts installed to return guns to factory spec.
I'll keep using & shooting my own 3rd gen's ...
Matter of fact, I've got my eye on a late production 3913 TSW that I may buy a little later on.
I know a lot of cops who are planning to buy their issued 3rd gen's as they're being phased out, too. Considering how well they've withstood the abuse usually meted out to them, most of the people who have been carrying them for some years don't seem too overly concerned about "having to have spare parts".
I just tell the folks to replace the mag & recoil springs every now and again, keep them lubed and use good quality ammo made by one of the major American ammo companies.
I like to have spare parts, but then I'm an armorer and it's become a habit. (I've also not needed the significant bulk of the spare parts in which I've invested, but I hang onto them out of habit, just in case I get a call from someone I know who ends up requiring more than a standard cleaning/inspection.)
FWIW, I've gone through more Glock parts for repair, correction & preventive maintenance in the last 2-3 years than anything else. Reminds me ... I've got make a large order for Glock parts. More of our people have started carrying them on & off-duty, and I'm probably going to be needing even more spare parts for them.
Might even get around to ordering some of the latest revisions of some M&P pistol parts, too, as those are coming online pretty soon. Cops can be hard on guns. Then, there's the few guys who somehow don't seem to think that "Don't Modify duty guns" applies to them, and aftermarket parts have to be pulled from guns and new parts installed to return guns to factory spec.
I'll keep using & shooting my own 3rd gen's ...
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lhump1961
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Sounds to me like you're a gun totin' fool just like me! Regardless of our approach we're both standing right in the middle of it! I have a couple of M&P's and 1911's but I'm good with that...can't seem to get enough 3rd gens and revolvers though.
flagman1776
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I am buying nice condition all metal S&Ws that I come across... most recent was a 645. I'm more worried about revolver parts than semiautos... but SAs were my first love. M39-2 was my first centerfire... still have her (now as a switch barrel with a Barstow in 9x21).
Shorty 45 MK2
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This is why I need lots of 3rd gens!
Stargater
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Ugly and pissy, too. I just learned that Glocks need replacement springs every 1500-3000 rounds or it starts malfunctioning! And while that doesn't raise red flags with most, look at it this way: my old obsolete Ruger Security-Six revolver will go 30,000+ magnum rounds and perhaps many more.
My 659/5906 each are hammer-fired guns and will go thousands and thousands of rounds without parts replacements. So will my 645 and perhaps my 457. Still, I have extra springs for all of them. In worst case scenarios, though, custom springs from a springmaker wouldn't be too far out of the question.
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Before the mention of no more parts, I was considering selling the LNIB 5946TSW to fund another project. It is proving to be a hard enough decision and now with all this chatter, I am really having a hard time. If I did sell, I doubt I would ever be able to find another 5946TSW in this condition.
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AITG
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I have to call BS on this one. I have a Glock 17 with 8700 rounds through it and a Glock 26 with 7100 rounds down the pipe. Neither one has ever had a part replaced. Ever. Both are boringly reliable and pass all the function checks.
That said, I won't sell my CS9. I would consider a 3913 if I found a clean one. TDA triggers are awesome.
The service/round count intervals given to Glock armorers for recoil spring assembly (RSA) replacement have been shrinking over the years.
In my first class the instructor didn't want to be pinned down to any round count or time-in-service. The students kept throwing numbers at him until he finally said that leaving a spring in a gun for 8 years was probably too long.
In my last recert class the instructor said the pre-Gen4 compact/full-size guns ought to have new RSA's at least every 3K rounds, and 2K would be better, still.
The Gen4 compact & full-size models that use the double spring RSA's are supposed to be good for 5-6K rounds between RSA replacement.
The .40/.357 guns are the hardest on the RSA's, with the 9's having probably the easiest time of it.
I have a Glock armorer "wearable parts replacement schedule" from '08, for LE .40's, that recommends RSA replacement at 2,500 rds for the G22/35; 2K rds for the G23 and 3K rds for the G27 ... or sooner, as may be necessary, depending on performing a field RSA check at each range session. (There were other parts and springs listed for recommended 5K round replacement intervals, too.)
Put it this way ...
As I've heard armorer instructors comment during my last couple of recerts for that company, if an armorer is seeing broken locking blocks, locking block pins, trigger pins or barrel lugs, the armorer probably isn't replacing the RSA's often enough. Probably wouldn't be making those observations if they didn't think it was prudent.
In the recent class the instructor added the comment that fresh springs keeps guns alive (especially when shooting .40's).
I tend to prefer to err on the conservative side of spring replacement intervals & recommendations. No real need to subject good guns to unnecessary battering.
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lhump1961
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This is a thanks for all the posting Fastbolt does on this forum...not only knows what he's talking about in fact filled, informative posts but is willing to take the time to do it regularly and set us straight!
Reminds me of Dragnet..."Just the facts, ma'am.". Thanks Fastbolt.
you got it right
Love the all metal 3rd gens. They feel right, look right, work right
Love the all metal 3rd gens. They feel right, look right, work right
I'm wayyyyy overdue
I have a very early Gen 2 G17. The man I bought it from, had bought it used to use as an ipsc gun. He put at least 20000 through it over a few seasons. Who knows what it had on it before. It still had the original Uncaptured guide rod that Glock used in the gen 1's and gen. 2's. It still chugged through almost 1000 more rounds with me before I replaced it with a new factory rsa.
It runs great and there is no frame damage at all. I'm tempted to let an armorer go over it, but I don't want to lose my original "black" connector, etc.
2500 round is laughably low.
RobG5589
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Sell? Surely you jest my good fellow
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