Society has fallen to a new low

turbo6 said:
I blame rap music.

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This has as much to do with rap music as Newtown did with Terminator movies. As our hobby comes under constant fire from the left we should be cautious of generalizing and stereotypes. This guy was an assailed plain and simple. His supporters are also. Just like the overwhelming majority and millions of gun owners who have never killed anyone I and millions of others have enjoyed rap music for years without breaking any laws.
 
policerevolvercollector said:
This enrages me beyond words. I , and many others on this forum, have spent their lives protecting others and this is the payment that society offers in return.

Jersey City mayor slams sidewalk memorial honoring cop killer | Fox News

I realize that they have a right to say these things. But, really ? Is there no shame?

What is even worse is that the neighbor actually calls the murderer a "good man". Is this what people consider "good" in today's world?

The guys wife said that the only problem was that he didn't kill MORE officers.

Rest in Peace Officer Santiago.
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People like that sure see thing much different than main stream Americans!:mad:

The best business to have in those neighborhoods is a shop that sells teddy bears, candles and other junk that they can use to build those memorials.
 
CAJUNLAWYER said:
If you want to really see how far society has fallen hang around criminal court for a while
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True, True, For years now I have dealt with cons, and fugitives.... Come in with a deuce and end up a lifer. From what used to be called "The Deadliest 49 acres in the U.S." The old gray cons will tell you, these guys coming into a max. security joint now are mean. crazy, and have no soul. Their words not mine ...I am talking about lifers. Old time lifers...White and Black.....They say you have a hard time doing straight time anymore due to all the meanest with in the walls...Not goody two shoe types just old time cons....Many of the old timers will tell you " I am institutionalized" but it ain't the same...The new ones just plain mean and for no good reason....Now that is coming from guys in their 60's and 70's that have spent their adult lives in the joint. They will tell you about the new gangs..The new cons..They say the young ones are sheep, but mean sheep, and for no reason....The world has changed.. even for the old time criminals.....Go Wonder!!!!
 
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As a society, we have lost the will, and the ability to have the punishment fit the crime. As a result, there is no fear of dire consequences for violent criminal behavior. Thug culture is growing and glorified. In response, the citizenry will continue to arm themselves, and will become more active in responding to the "threat".
 
Jessie said:
I didn't, so you guys can get yours too. There's strength in numbers, just ask a gang member.
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Dont get me started on gang punk wannabes. Two Sundays ago, one tried stealing my tablet while I was sitting at the table using it.I was ina McDonalds and looking in my haversack for somehting and said punk tried reaching over and grabbing my tablet. I snatched it out of reach, got upand elbowed him in the mouth. Employees called the Police he was arrested. I said I would like pressing charges but didnt appear I needed too because he was arrested for outstanding warrents. Anyway, his two friends nearby-said and did nothing after I elbowed their friend. All three of these punks had at least 2-3 teardrop tattoos. After he was hauled off-as i was leaving, these two were blocking the exit as much as possible and I walked through them. I HATE--punks.
 
george minze said:
What has happened to our country??? Why has it happened, and how has it happened???? Killers should be vilified not memorialized...Nuff said!
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This memorializing criminals (among other things) is what all the changes to our society over the last 30-60 years have wrought. I won't even go into what those changes are...you all know them as well as I do. We either recognize what we've done, or we're part of the problem.
 
the ringo kid said:
Dont get me started on gang punk wannabes. Two Sundays ago, one tried stealing my tablet while I was sitting at the table using it.I was ina McDonalds and looking in my haversack for somehting and said punk tried reaching over and grabbing my tablet. I snatched it out of reach, got upand elbowed him in the mouth. Employees called the Police he was arrested. I said I would like pressing charges but didnt appear I needed too because he was arrested for outstanding warrents. Anyway, his two friends nearby-said and did nothing after I elbowed their friend. All three of these punks had at least 2-3 teardrop tattoos. After he was hauled off-as i was leaving, these two were blocking the exit as much as possible and I walked through them. I HATE--punks.
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Speaking of McDonalds I took my family to one while visiting Washington DC a few years back and honest to God didn't think I was going to get them out of there alive.... you talk about thugs...
 
This kind of crud comes about in varying degrees from the thugs and their apologists. I have seen it repeatedly. A friend of mine was in an OIS some months back that from a legal and factual perspective was plain vanilla. The usual suspects, who did not know the extent of their ignorance, raised all sorts of hell, based on fantasies about the law and made up "facts" that were simply not true. I don't mind family members being upset and not objective, but this kind of stuff is simply unacceptable. And that does not even include the supposed professionals who said stuff that was so far off it seemed like a fairy tale.
 
Several years ago I was at a swap meet looking at various things when I ran across a friend that I hadn't seen in a while. With him were his sister and her son.

As we talked a cop walked by. They we hired as security and were in full uniform.

I over heard the sister whisper "There's the po-po, watch him".

So I asked "Don't like cops?"

You should have seen the look she gave me!:eek:

She said "I hate cops. I don't trust them. They're all bad".

So I told her that if she obeyed the law, she had nothing to fear. She said "BS! They jack you up for nothing!"

I learned a lot in just a few minutes. The gang mentality is extremely prevalent here.
 
kozmic said:
It all comes back to the breakdown of the family.
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Preparing to be Banned forever:
Many years ago I heard a discussion on this subject...sum and substance traced the current breakdown back to when.......women were given the right to vote.....there I said it.
I did some research and will challange you do yours, if you desire.....
no comment one way or t'other.... just sayin'.....:eek:
 
I feel sorry for good kids, who are forced to grow up in bad neighborhoods, surrounded by thugs and violence. Growing up in that atmosphere must just be surreal.

When I grew up, the worst thing that I had to deal with was snotty preppies. :)
 
Kanewpadle said:
Several years ago I was at a swap meet looking at various things when I ran across a friend that I hadn't seen in a while. With him were his sister and her son.

As we talked a cop walked by. They we hired as security and were in full uniform.

I over heard the sister whisper "There's the po-po, watch him".

So I asked "Don't like cops?"

You should have seen the look she gave me!:eek:

She said "I hate cops. I don't trust them. They're all bad".

So I told her that if she obeyed the law, she had nothing to fear. She said "BS! They jack you up for nothing!"

I learned a lot in just a few minutes. The gang mentality is extremely prevalent here.
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I spent 30 years in the JCPD , retired 10 years ago and moved to God's country. This doesn't surprise me in the least. It wasn't uncommon to hear "mothers" tell their children- "watch out that cop gonna take you."

Bigotry and hatred cover all ethnic groups, too often we find ourselves falling into the trap of generalizing the other group. There are plenty of thugs, gangsters and the like in JC, many of them ex cons, they have a rich source of victims to choose from.

Further, in JC the problem is exacerbated by the brilliant maneuver the city government performed when they decided to introduce the denizens of the housing projects into stable neighborhoods when they wanted to break up the concentration of criminal activity in the projects, knocking down the high rises, giving section 8 vouchers to relocate the riff raff.

The gangsters and drug dealers are slaughtering each other and the people that are trapped in those neighborhoods. Its not a race thing, the victims are within their own group.

It's truly a case of two cities, the old JC and the new waterfront JC, where the rents are $3000 and the condos go for $1,000,000 +.

Between the idiot governor who wants to be president and the fool mayor of JC who wants that governor's seat, the manpower has been decimated to less than 800 in the PD and about 430 in the FD. The pension "reform" chased all the senior people out in the last 3 years. Someone told me median age in the PD now is late 30s.

Police Officer Melvin Santiago was 23 years old - 23! Out of the academy since December, probably barely finished field training. RIP.
 
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