Some info for my American Friends.

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Please pass it on to anyone you might know that is planning a trip to Canada.

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Americans crossing Canadian border bringing handguns with 'alarming frequency'

Most of the people caught are "respectful and law abiding citizens of the U.S.A" who are unaware handguns are either restricted or prohibited in Canada.
Many don't realize they can legally declare firearms and leave them behind as they enter Canada.
Many don't realize they can legally declare firearms and leave them behind as they enter Canada.

(DARRYL DYCK / THE CANADIAN PRESS)
By The Canadian Press
Tues., Aug. 8, 2017

SAINT JOHN, N.B.—Six Americans have been charged with bringing handguns across the New Brunswick border so far this summer, as a Canadian prosecutor says it's proving difficult to let otherwise law-abiding people know they can't bring firearms on vacation.

"The offences continue to occur with alarming frequency during the summer months," federal prosecutor Peter Thorn said from Hampton, N.B.

Five men — three from Florida, two from New England — pleaded guilty and were fined between $1,500 and $2,000, he said.

Thorn, who has prosecuted these cases for years, said most of the people caught are "respectful and law abiding citizens of the U.S.A." who are unaware handguns are either restricted or prohibited in Canada.

He said many don't realize they can legally declare firearms and leave them behind as they enter the country. Many of the tourists are 60 and older, and from the South.

The Canadian government has issued travel advisories, and there is signage at the border, but some Americans keep bringing their guns and lying about it, he said.

Thorn said each time he handles a case, he asks the judge for a sentence that will deter others from travelling armed, but word doesn't seem to filter back to the U.S.

"Unfortunately, whereas the offenders reside in the U.S.A., it is highly unlikely that the sentencing message will ever reach those who could take heed or notice of the message," Thorn said in an email to The Canadian Press.

The first case at St. Stephen, N.B., this summer came May 20. A 69-year-old New Hampshire man admitted he had a .357 Magnum in his glove compartment as border guards inspected his SUV. He was fined $1,500.

Two days later, a 27-year-old Maine woman was charged with failing to declare a prohibited handgun at St. Stephen. She has pleaded not guilty and will face trial in Saint John, N.B., on March 23, 2018, Thorn said.

On June 9, a 66-year-old Tavernier, Fla., man denied having a gun in his motor home — until border officers found a Smith & Wesson 9 mm in a locked safe. He was fined $1,500.

On June 23, a Hampton, Fla., man arrived with two undeclared guns, including a prohibited .25 calibre Raven Arms handgun. He was fined $2,000.

On July 11, there were two cases within hours.

A 59-year-old New Hampshire man heading for Roosevelt Campobello International Park denied having guns while entering Campobello, N.B., from Lubec, Maine, and was targeted for a search.

He told officers he wanted to return to the U.S. but it was too late. Officers found a .38 in a storage case in his motor home, as well as undeclared alcohol and two grams of suspected marijuana. He was fined $2,000.

That same day, a handgun was seized from a 64-year-old Jacksonville, Fla., couple at St. Stephen. It was found, undeclared, in the woman's suitcase, where her husband had hid it without telling her, Thorn said.

"(The woman) stated that she specifically told her husband not to bring his handgun into Canada," said Thorn.

The man pleaded guilty, telling Judge Andrew LeMesurier of the New Brunswick provincial court they were coming to Canada to escape the heat.

The judge joked the "heat" found him — and that he should know by now to listen to his wife. The Jacksonville man was fined $2,000.

The Canadian Border Services Agency said such seizures are common.

In 2015, the agency seized seven guns in St. Stephen, up from five the previous year, it said. Nationally, it seized 671 firearms in 2015, 313 of which were prohibited in Canada, mostly in Ontario and B.C.

Last summer, Thorn said border agents seized a gun about once a week at St. Stephen.

On one weekend in August last year, two Texas men separately tried to bring hidden guns across at St. Stephen. On one October weekend, two retirees in their mid-60s from southern states arrived hours apart, both carrying weapons and both denying it.
 
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Thank you for the "heads up".

The most humorous part of the post (at least to me) is the $2000 fine for smuggling a Raven .25 auto. It would take dump truck to carry enough Ravens to be worth $2000.


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Maybe we need "emigration" controls, on the people we allow to leave the country, to make sure they're not so dumb that they embarrass the US abroad. Seriously, hiding a gun in your wife's suitcase without telling her?

There are likely way too many that don't get caught. If you choose to travel to another country, the Constitution does not apply there, and you have an obligation to follow the local laws. From the article, I'm getting the impression that the Canadians don't realize how easy they are letting these people off. No surprise that no message of deterrence is getting back.
 
Even if you needed to defend yourself with a gun, leading to its discovery, there's no castle doctrine or stand your ground law in that socialist paradise.

No Canadian trips for me!

I think South Africa is probably the ONLY other country where a US citizen can sometimes get a license to import and carry a handgun.

Anyone know of any other? BTW, the crime rate there since the change in government about 1995 is so severe that you may well need that gun.

Be aware that in many countries, like Australia and the UK, you have no legal right to defend yourself with a gun. Check before travelling. Many countries like American dollars but don't care a fig for American visitors' safety...or that of their own honest citizens/subjects.
 
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One thing I cannot stand is a moron than makes good gun-owners and concealed carriers look stupid. Every one of these fools gets out of this for a couple thousand dollars. Too lenient. Life is hard if you're stupid.

As to the reference of a whole truckload of Raven .25's for $2,000? That sounds like a fantastic deal: I pay you two grand if you haul a whole dump truck of Raven, Jennings, Davis & Jimenez right off the face of the Earth. Money well spent! ;)
 
About like those Americans who tried to board a plane with a gun in their cabin baggage. I've read that the number of such incidents so far this year has set a record. The most common excuse - I didn't know it was there.
 
I wonder what they do with all the guns they confiscate ? Do the owners have any means to get them back ?
 
Headed to BC this Sunday. Rest assured there will be no firearms in my luggage or on me.
Have taken long guns in to Canada many times on hunting trips. Was not a big deal to do so.
 
This reminds me of a news story in Detroit, when I lived there decades ago (circa '77). There was a huge convention of inner city reverends meeting in the Motor City. For some reason, a large contingent decided to cross the river into Windsor. (I don't remember why, but surely it couldn't have been to patronize the numerous strip clubs located there!)

Well, you guessed it: a very high percentage of these men of the cloth had handguns in their vehicles which were seized by Canadian Customs.

Well, would you want to drive around Detroit without one?
 
There's some good hunting in Canada. I know folks from New England who hunt there annually. The process of taking a long gun is pretty straightforward - fill out the paperwork ahead of time, lock up the unloaded gun in your vehicle and be honest with the border folks and it will go smoothly. Not a fan of their laws on pistols and self defense, but it's their country, their rules. And it's a beautiful country with many very nice people.
 
Thanks for a reminder.....

...and DO NOT EVER bring a gun into Mexico.:eek:

It will take years, your family's income and diplomatic intervention to get you back home.

That guy was going on a hunting trip in Central American had to drive through Mexico to get there and it took all of the above for his parents to get him out of there.
 

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