Some Schofield "Eye Candy"......enjoy!

[THREEDFLYER]

A few photos.....
1st, 1st Model U.S. Schofield with an original 2-Hole M1881 US Holster and box of 1878 Frankford Arsenal .45 cartridges
2nd, Close up of the box with loaded cylinder
3rd, 1st Model US and 2nd Model Civilian Schofield's with ammo
4th, sealed box of Frankford Arsenal 1878 original ammo and 6 loose rounds.
5th, Close up of box label. This box was resold by Bannerman's and most boxes they sold had been opened and resealed.

Just wished these old pea shooters could talk!!!
Enjoy!

 

[kryten67]

Very Nice ol pea shooters. I've got too get me one of those one of these days. Great photo;s also.

Everett

 

[opoefc]

Very nice assembly. Note that these military produced ammo. boxes are marked only as "Caliber .45" as the cartridges will fit either the Schofield or the Colt SAA revolvers. Commercial ammo. boxes are marked as " .45 S&W Schofield." Ed.

 

[Jebus35745]

Very nice guns Tom, how do they shoot? LOL not just one but 2 of em, sweet. Larry

 

[THREEDFLYER]

Larry, some day I will shoot these guns with a safe load.....but for now I will hopefully find one of the Model 2000 Schofield's to take to the range. I have a lead on a NIB blue and an NIB nickel.......just need to decide which one to buy! I am told the nickel finish is scarce for the Model 2000.
Tom

 

[THREEDFLYER]

While reading through an old copy of a 1953 American Rifleman, which had an article about the Schofield's, I read that Col. Schofield committed suicide in his quarters with one of his guns, which I assume was a Schofield model. I just wonder if anyone knows of what became of that particular weapon? Would Roy Jinks have a record of the exact gun that Col. Schofield would have received from S&W or would he have been using a random piece from a military shipment? Sounds morbid, but it would be interesting to know.

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

Howdy

I see the cartridges are Benet primed. I have a lidless box of 45 Colts from 1874, also Benet primed. I believe these are military issue too. Notice these are the 30 grain loads, not the 40 grain commercial loads.

Regarding Colonel Schofield's death, I seem to recall he was despondent over the death of his wife. Speculation that he used a Schofield revolver is just that, speculation. It has never been proven, at least not that I know of.

 

[THREEDFLYER]

Thanks for the pics.....that is some early ammo!
I know of a fellow with a sealed 45 box marked 1873......the first FA shipped I believe.

The article I read did not mention anything about his wife's death.....just that he may have gone crazed for some unknown reason. Apparently at the time he did it, he had several inventions in the works and patents applied for.

The story read that he was washing up for the night and his butler was stoking the fire...... He asked the butler to get him something and as soon as the butler left, a shot went off.

 

[DGT]

Great Schofields and great photography. Thanks for posting

 

[THREEDFLYER]

Anyone else have a Schofield or two to share photos of??
Please post if you like.
Tom

 

[Giovanni53]

Anyone else have a Schofield or two to share photos of??
Please post if you like.
Tom

this my , from Sicily.
october 1876

 

[glowe]

. . . I have a lidless box of 45 Colts from 1874, also Benet primed. I believe these are military issue too. Notice these are the 30 grain loads, not the 40 grain commercial loads.

I have never seen a 30 grain load of antique 45 Colt cartridges. Why would they reduce the load in these when 40 grains would have fit?? The bullet is standard weight for both 45 S&W and Colt, but that cartridge would not have fit in the Schofield??

I have an 1880 US Cartridge Co. catalog that shows only one load for 45 Colt (40 grain) and 30 grains for 45 S&W . . . Interesting but can't figure out why the light load?

BTW - nice pair of Schofields you have there Tom. I have a Navy Arms(Uberti) Schofield that I have shot for 10 years in 45 Colt. Never had any problems with the gun and often shoot 45 S&W just to be authentic. I wonder how many of the Scofield 2000s have been to the range. They are certainly more expensive than a Navy Arms gun and I just don't know if I could take one of those to the range and get it all dirty??

 

[Smiths4evr]

Tom,

Very nice Schofield display!

 

[BRush]

I'll share a couple.


A 1st Model.




A 2nd Model.

 

[THREEDFLYER]

Mr. Rush,

Those are fantastic guns!! Quite a bit more finish than mine have. I am on the hunt for the same belt/buckle and cartridge pouch, so keep me in mind if you run across another!

Are both of your Schofield's US models??

Tom

 

[Schof45]

From the embellished Schofield, to the hard working Schofield but first one in between.

This is a civilian model with all the military markings (except the US on the butt which was the last and final approval). The gun letters as nickel and was shipped from Robinson September 1877.

This one is very well engraved, is mostly silver plated and has the Kelton safety. It might have been a display gun for one of the major S&W distributors or just for somebody that wanted a Schofield with "everything".

This is a Schofield with a lot of personality and with what I believe is a period cut barrel (since it has been in that old holster for a looong time). Supposedly used by an old-gunfighter in Mexico (like so many others).

 

[jonh1373]

Does anyone have the ballistics information of these 45 loads?

 

[THREEDFLYER]

Does anyone have the ballistics information of these 45 loads?

Good question, maybe we can get some data on these rounds from someone in the know?
Tom

 

[SPEEDGUNNER]

Very impressive all...gotta like those old wheelguns that helped shape our country.

 

[glowe]

Does anyone have the ballistics information of these 45 loads?

One of the Barne's "cartridges of the World" editions shows the following modern factory loads:

45 Colt . . . . 250 LRN . . . . 855fps . . . . 405 ft-lbs
45 S&W. . . . 250 LRN . . . . 710fps . . . . 283 ft-lbs

Reloading data from Shoot Magazine shows the gollowing black powder loads:

45 Colt . . . . 250 LRN . . . . 785fps . . . . 30 grains FFg
45 S&W. . . . 250 LRN . . . . 714fps . . . . 22 grains FFg

Modern bullets do not leave enough space to obtain original loads like the old heeled bullets, so it is difficult to reproduce the old loadings. Obviously, with volumes 25% higher in the original 1800s loads, the velicities and muzzle energies would have been at least that much higher.