Sometimes the pawn shop pays off!

[Big Shrek]

The problem with most firearms in .40S&W is that they weren't designed for that round or the round designed for them. I have a S&W 4006 and a S&W CS 40. In the 4006, it is no worse than shooting a 9mm or a .45ACP. In the CS 40, it is a whole world of difference in the felt recoil. After 1 mag, it is time to clean the CS 40 and put it back in the holster.

I don't normally go to pawn shops but I might just to see if I can find another stainless 4006. Can't do it today because I'm awaiting a shipment.

Does your CS40 still have the Hogues, or is it wearing Delrin?

 

[nocents]

I have got some sweet deals over the years in pawn shops latest was a Shorty .45 Mk2 with 5 Magazines for $599


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now THAT is the kind of deal that keeps me going in......did they not know what they had?

 

[Big Shrek]

Even so, 40's of all mfr's are not moving right now. The "mentally deficient" want 9mm. They feel the 9mm gun carrying a few more rounds than the same gun in 40 is a plus. Also the 40 having much more recoil than a similar 9mm concerns our lady customers. And technology has definitely improved 9mm self defense ammo vs 20 years ago. So if you are a 40 fan, it's a great time to go shopping, but for me, 9mm outsells 40 10 to 1. GARY

Lemme get my tinfoil hat on for a sec

Reason I call 'em Mentally Deficient is for multiple reasons...

1. Jumping on ANY of James Comey's bandwagons is probably going to end in tears.
He's always been interested in what would line his pockets,
not whether or not it a given thing was actually good for the country.
He was the Lead Investigator in Whitewater...guess where kissing up got him??
Yep, Head of the FBI...nope, no Quid Pro Quo there at all...cough cough.
This little changeover was started during Comey's reign...for that reason alone
it should be discontinued.

2. All the Police Brass running to trade out their perfectly fine .40's,
right after the FBI announcement..well, that's just straight-up unintelligent.
But if you're a liberal Brasshat who wants to make your police less effective
and less deadly, switching down to 9mm is the way to go.

Altho, in the case of NYPD, it's probably a good idea...
remember a couple years ago NYPD were shooting at a perp, managed
to MISS him completely, but shot 14 bystanders, 2 fatally??
Please, take .40's away from the NYPD. Give 'em Tasers only.

And Chicago?? See the pic below...


3. During Criminal Justice courses in college...yeah, I know...college edumacation...
anyway, one of our instructors would get a lot of Dashcam Tapes of shootings,
like the shooting in Cali where a druggie was on his front porch with a pistol,
shooting at cops, the cops shot back, hitting him 19 times with multiple head
shots from their 9mm Glocks...and he STILL wouldn't go down. After he emptied
his pistol, he tossed it at the cops, grabbed a large knife/machete and charged
off the porch, where an officer had finally grabbed a shotgun and shot him
twice with the 12-ga, killing him just feet away.

Seeing all those 9mm's hit and have practically ZERO effect, and they were solid
body and head hits...yet the guy shrugged 'em off and was able to charge down
the steps with a machete?? Yeah, that sticks with you. And that was far from the
only vid we saw on the subject in the early 90's. Dashcams were just taking off and
all sorts of raw footage was coming in by satellite and tape sent in by departments to
the school...none of it was very complimentary to 9mm.

The same complaints about .38-Spl being underpowered were exactly the same
complaints everyone had about 9mm...ballistically similar rounds...they both are
less than optimal for STOPPING someone unless you happen to hit CNS or
bleed an artery real fast.

4. Folks often mention UN troop use. Yep, the only fighting force that's had more
losses in wartime situations than the French...oh yeah, I wanna follow THEM!
5.56 and 9mm are the weakest war calibers available. Precisely why the UN & NATO
chose them. More wounding, less killing.

5. And finally, there's the whole What do I carry/use. Do I have 9mm pistols? Yep.
Capacity of the two I liked to carry in my diaper bag when the boys were little was
100-rds per mag, Calico 9mm pistols...in the vein of, "If you are going to use a
Mouse Caliber, use a LOT of it". Why two Calico's?? One for me, one for the Wifey

Her EDC is a Taurus 24/7 Pro-C (compact) 9mm with 17-rd mags.
Again, Mouse Caliber = Use a Lot.

One of the pistols in my carry rotation is a 9mm with 15-rd mags.
Et Cetera Mouse Caliber.

And that's my Evil Tinfoil Hat Anti-9mm rant

 

[nocents]

I don't think a tin foil hat is gonna help

 

[N4KVE]

3. During Criminal Justice courses in college...yeah, I know...college edumacation...
anyway, one of our instructors would get a lot of Dashcam Tapes of shootings,
like the shooting in Cali where a druggie was on his front porch with a pistol,
shooting at cops, the cops shot back, hitting him 19 times with multiple head
shots from their 9mm Glocks...and he STILL wouldn't go down. After he emptied
his pistol, he tossed it at the cops, grabbed a large knife/machete and charged
off the porch, where an officer had finally grabbed a shotgun and shot him
twice with the 12-ga, killing him just feet away.

Seeing all those 9mm's hit and have practically ZERO effect, and they were solid
body and head hits...yet the guy shrugged 'em off and was able to charge down
the steps with a machete?? Yeah, that sticks with you. And that was far from the
only vid we saw on the subject in the early 90's.

Sounds like this was decades ago. Back then, I used to think the same thing. But fast forward 25-30 years, & 9mm has improved greatly. All my 40's are gone, & have been replaced with 9mm. But I do own quite a few 45's also. But my 9's use FEDERAL PREMIUM 147 GR HST ammo. P9HST2. At Wally World 40SW sits unsold, while the 9mm sells well, & the shelves are 1/2 empty. GARY

 

[Big Shrek]

Sounds like this was decades ago. Back then, I used to think the same thing. But fast forward 25-30 years, & 9mm has improved greatly. All my 40's are gone, & have been replaced with 9mm. But I do own quite a few 45's also. But my 9's use FEDERAL PREMIUM 147 GR HST ammo. P9HST2. At Wally World 40SW sits unsold, while the 9mm sells well, & the shelves are 1/2 empty. GARY

Yep, 1990's I'm technically an antique at this point!
Still vastly prefer 10mm to anything else on the market.
Between the BOOM and the 2' long flame that shoots out of it,
even if you miss, they're all gonna run like heck

Even when you're just at the range, walk up hearing the little POP POP POP...
then whip out the G20SF and BOOM!! and everyone looks over to see
what the heck just went off...and being old & cheezy, do my best Clint Eastwood
impersonation and say, "This is the Glock 20 Slim Frame, 10mm, and it'll blow yer head Clean OFF!"


If yer gonna be a cornball, go ALL the way

 

[nocents]

I'm embarrassed to admit I had to Google a Calico 9mm.....when I seen that in your signature I just assumed you liked cats

 

[TTSH]

At Wally World 40SW sits unsold, while the 9mm sells well, & the shelves are 1/2 empty. GARY

Speaking of which... I just picked up two 250 mega-boxes of Remington .40's for... wait for it... 10¢/round. Almost cheaper than .22 LR.

They were clearing out six boxes, apparently due to slow sales. I got the last two. Guess what I'm going to be shooting a lot of starting next week.

 

[TTSH]

During Criminal Justice courses in college...yeah, I know...college edumacation... anyway, one of our instructors would get a lot of Dashcam Tapes of shootings, like the shooting in Cali where a druggie was on his front porch with a pistol, shooting at cops, the cops shot back, hitting him 19 times with multiple head shots from their 9mm Glocks...and he STILL wouldn't go down. After he emptied his pistol, he tossed it at the cops, grabbed a large knife/machete and charged off the porch, where an officer had finally grabbed a shotgun and shot him twice with the 12-ga, killing him just feet away.

Seeing all those 9mm's hit and have practically ZERO effect, and they were solid body and head hits...yet the guy shrugged 'em off and was able to charge down the steps with a machete?? Yeah, that sticks with you. And that was far from the only vid we saw on the subject in the early 90's. Dashcams were just taking off and all sorts of raw footage was coming in by satellite and tape sent in by departments to the school... none of it was very complimentary to 9mm.

Yes, I've seen enough of those videos myself to get the message. One video in particular sticks in my mind like diapers clogging a sewer line. Cop emptied his 9mm wonder gun into a BG and the BG still kept coming. Crazy, but the camera doesn't lie. Funny how you don't seem to see that happening so much with a .45. Then, you see them go down like a rock.

How did Colion Noir put it? Something like "A 9mm may kill your body, but a .45 kills your soul"! I get what he was talking about.

But is a .40 more effective than a 9mm? Yeah, I believe it is... advances in bullet design notwithstanding. But in a true pocket pistol, I can't handle a .40... so 9mm will have to do. I just hope I have enough rounds.

 

[PALADIN85020]

I will NEVER buy a .40. 9mm for mag capacity, not much recoil, satisfactory performance, availability and price. .45 because, well, it's a .45. What more could you possibly want? To me, the .40 is an unwanted child born out of wedlock... a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

John

 

[nocents]

I hesitate to advance a this versus that argument but being on the wrong end of a 147 gr. hydra shock JHP is going to end up being a really bad day

 

[Barrie]

Any Bullet of any cal can give you a major headache or worse.

 

[Big Shrek]

I'm embarrassed to admit I had to Google a Calico 9mm.....when I seen that in your signature I just assumed you liked cats

Nuts, don't have any Calico pics on this comp...it's still a bit new
They are fun as Heck!

Yeah, and they Moved from California to avoid their Draconic Gun Laws,
thinking Oregon was safe, they spent a few years there, then got royally
shafted again when Oregon went Anti-Gun.

Told 'em Florida & the South was where they needed to be...far away
from the Anti nuts...we've got literally MILLIONS of Retired Military just
looking for something to do to get out of underfoot of their wives...
running a Mill to make gun parts would be a dream job for many retirees,
as long as they let 'em shoot the guns on occasion
Talk about having an endless supply of Testers...LOL

Example, Escambia County, Florida...
Literally thousands of retired Chiefs & Sgts, Officers of all ranks,
bored out of their minds...looking for light industry jobs that they're totally
overqualified for, but enjoy doing...
Pay 'em 10 an hour and they're happier than a pig in a poke, because it boosts
the Retirement Funds without busting up the Social Security income
And the Land OUTSIDE of the cities is CHEAP!! You can still get BooKoo Property
for 2K an Acre if ya shop careful!!
Housing outside of cities is also mega-cheap...150K gets you a 4BR/2BA house
with at least an acre of land...usually 5, again, if you shop carefully.
And ZERO state Income Tax means personal benfits

 

[Big Shrek]

I will NEVER buy a .40. 9mm for mag capacity, not much recoil, satisfactory performance, availability and price. .45 because, well, it's a .45. What more could you possibly want? To me, the .40 is an unwanted child born out of wedlock... a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

John

It's actually a solution to a problem that doesn't CURRENTLY exist
in most states...at least the Red states.
It DOES exist in Blue states like Mass...NY...NJ...Ill...Hawaii...Cali...
due to the Capacity Limiting Laws...
.40 gives more power than 9mm to the same 10-rd mags required by law.
10-rds of .45acp usually comes in a full-size 1911-style package...
harder to conceal than a 10-rd .40 or 9mm. So there's that.


The Other Issue...for Free States...
Not everyone has giant enough hands to wrap around a double-stack .45acp or 10mm.
That's where .40 & 9mm shine for little folks. I'm definitely Yeti folks
17rds of 10mm goodness out of a G20SF is no problem for me to handle,
same for my Star Megastar that holds 12-rds in a double-stack...
which can also utilize .45-SUPER...but still, it's for Large-Handed Folks Only.
On the other hand, my 5'9" Wifey can handle a Taurus 24/7 Pro C (compact)
that holds 17rds of 9mm with no problems. In fact, she's got two of the bloody things...
one in Pink, One Blued...so at least she can have a compact with decent capacity.

Then there's the whole, "It ain't just ONE jackwagon, it's a group!"
whcih means you are more likely to deal with multiple attackers these days...
at least until bullets start flying, then they run like heck.
But ain't it nice to have 17-rds to make decisions with??

And if it is only one jackwagon, say in a movie theatre...or other public venue...
How much power would you prefer to have??
You definitely want as many rounds as you can have...and still conceal properly...
But in a choice between 10mm, .45acp, .40-S&W, and 9mm...all having 17-rds...
which way does one go? The easiest to conceal are definitely the 9mm & .40
where the .45 & 10mm of similar capacity take a little more concealing...

Experience tells me that 9mm can work, but it can also not work...
way too many have taken a dozen rounds of 9mm and not only walked off,
but killed multiple people while leaving the scene...or had to be brought down
by rifles or shotguns...because the 9mm's weren't cutting it.
.38-spl had a similar track record...gets the job done if you hit 'em right...
but sadly lacking otherwise.
Can't think of even ONE person that walked away from a dozen .45acp hits.
Or even a dozen from .40-Short & Wimpy hits...

 

[warbird]

I frequent my local pawnshop on pretty much a weekly basis. Sometimes two weeks. My favorite gunshop in fact. I also am a big fan of forty. Twelve at this time.