stand your ground/Concealed carry

[TexasArmed]

I don't understand why this is even discussed.

Except in TX, if the guy is stealing your bile and you are on the porch you call the cops and be cool.

If you are on your bike in the driveway and he approaches you with a weapon and demands you bile or else he is going to naim or kill you, you shoot.

Property laws in almost all states say that you do not protect your property at the cost of a life.

I have done any searches on it, but I suspect that arson of an occupied dwelling is an exception.

The way the Texas Statute reads is as follows regarding your comment. A criminal cannot count on not being shot just because he is running off with the loot. But the legal costs of
doing so may very well more than the property is worth. I suspect Joe Horn, in Pasadena probably spent a lot more on
his legal defense, since that case was thrown out by a grand jury, he still had lots of legal fees. And the property he was protecting was not even his, and the dispatcher told him not to go outside. All such cases like the one in Florida are automatically turned over to a grand jury. There are lots of
people who do not like our laws in Texas. The case in Florida
will have to be tried on the basis of self defense because SYG
probably does not apply. Zimmerman had no evidence that
Martin had committed a crime, nor a felony, either. If the medical evidence shows Martin broke his nose, and left marks on his back, that were recorded and treated, he may be found
not guilty. In which case there will be enormous efforts there to get the laws changed. I for one, am very glad this case did not occur in Texas.

"Texas Penal Code 9.42"
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect his property to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the others imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief during the nighttime, and he reasonably believes that the property cannot be protected by any other means."

 

[cmort666]

In Ohio it's a concealed HANDGUN license, PERIOD. It doesn't authorize you to carry ANYTHING else. That doesn't mean that you necessarily CAN'T carry anything else, but if you do, it's not in any way by virtue of your CHL. And remember, in Ohio there is NO preemption of local ordinances covering NON-firearm weapons. What may be legal where you live might be illegal on the other side of the street in another community.

 

[sixshot]

If you walk out into the Walmart parking lot & someone is stealing your brand new truck do you shoot him.........absolutely not! If one of your kids is in that truck he's stealing do you shoot? Now you are within your rights, you're protecting family, the truck can be replaced.....even a Ford!

Dick

 

[MP1518]

If you walk out into the Walmart parking lot & someone is stealing your brand new truck do you shoot him.........absolutely not! If one of your kids is in that truck he's stealing do you shoot? Now you are within your rights, you're protecting family, the truck can be replaced.....even a Ford!

Dick

This was my point.

You walk out into the Walmart parking lot and someone is stealing Your new truck. You TELL them to get lost and THAN they attack You. AT that point You will be defending Your self.
NOT defending Your truck .

Am I making any sense????

 

[tramp7810]

I think allllllllll people need to quit trying to try cases like this or any other outside the court system. This guy will never be able to get a fair trial no matter what he did or didnt do. And they talk bout some people being civil rights activists, what bout the shooters right to a fair shake. 62 years an i see things differently.

 

[cmort666]

This was my point.

You walk out into the Walmart parking lot and someone is stealing Your new truck. You TELL them to get lost and THAN they attack You. AT that point You will be defending Your self.
NOT defending Your truck .

Am I making any sense????

Absolutely and that's the way it is, at least in Ohio.

Where you get into problems is when you confront somebody about mere "suspicious" behavior, which is in fact not a crime, such as just walking through a particular neighborhood.

On the other hand, mere indignation at being treated as "suspicious" does not EVER justify physical violence of ANY kind. When in a public thoroughfare, you have ZERO duty to respond to questioning by ANY private citizen (and apart from VERY limited exceptions, none to talk to a cop without benefit of counsel). If some random stranger questions your presence in a place in which you have a legal right to be, simply ignore them. Physically attacking them is NEVER justified. If on the other hand, they illegally attempt to restrain you, throw them, beat them, stab or shoot them, as the law allows and necessity demands.

What I think probably happened in the Martin case is that there was a collision of knuckleheads. On the street, it's usually the knucklehead with the gun who wins... at least in the short run.

 

[cmort666]

And they talk bout some people being civil rights activists, what bout the shooters right to a fair shake.

Merely calling yourself something doesn't make it so.

I've seen both David Duke's National Association for the Advancement of White People and the North American Man-Boy Love Association referred to as "civil rights" organizations.

I can claim to be 7'8" and the best player in the NBA. That doesn't change the fact that I'm 5'7 1/2" and haven't even WATCHED basketball in thirty years.

One of the most useful lessons that anyone can learn is that there are people who will tell ANY lie, no matter how seemingly asinine on its face if they think it will:

1. benefit them in some way.
2. be believed by a sufficient number of gullible fools.

 

[tramp7810]

yup yup yup

 

[labworm]

Mr. Zimmerman has given the Anti's a Stealth Bomber.

He was instructed by the police on what not to do and continued.

 

[Skeptic 9c]

Exact;y.

Based on today's news that the kid had a juvenile record for assault, my belief at this point is that this is the typical case to two stupid people running into each other with the predictable result.

The kid deserved to be shot for jumping the guy and Zimmerman deserves to spend time in prison for playing cop.

The bottom line is that a CCW and the stand your ground law do not give you a badge. They pay cops to get shot and and to fight guys that think they can whip anyone. They don't give you a paycheck and a badge with a CCW.

I have had many arguments with guys who think that getting a CCW allows them to act likeJames Bond. I often wonder if Zimmerman was one of them.

Zimmerman was on private property, in a gated community. In Florida this changes a lot of rules. He was also involved in the Block Watch program, via the local Police, not the local HOA which is being sued ONLY on the grounds it has insurance and deep pockets. If a barrier was crossed another whole lot of rules change in Florida.

Geoff
Who notes this is going to be a test case and every lawyer on earth will tell you "NEVER be a test case!"

 

[Skeptic 9c]

Mr. Zimmerman has given the Anti's a Stealth Bomber.
He was instructed by the police on what not to do and continued.

According to the local news, here in Florida, the 911 operator did NOT SPECIFICALLY order an action. The whole Private Property thing applies again. This is going to be one big legal Charlie Foxtrot.

Geoff
Who is afraid the grand jury and the persecutors may throw Zimmerman to the mob, and completely eliminate the rule of law in Florida and the US of A, where it has been in deadly danger for years, and been shredded by the US Government recently.

 

[TexasArmed]

According to the local news, here in Florida, the 911 operator did NOT SPECIFICALLY order an action. The whole Private Property thing applies again. This is going to be one big legal Charlie Foxtrot.

Geoff
Who is afraid the grand jury and the persecutors may throw Zimmerman to the mob, and completely eliminate the rule of law in Florida and the US of A, where it has been in deadly danger for years, and been shredded by the US Government recently.

I don't think the dispatcher's telling him not to follow the guy,
just like the dispatcher's telling Joe Horn in Texas not to go outside, carries that much weight. Throwing him to the mob would be decision mady by the jury or the grand jury. I figure they have enough witnesses to get to the bottom of it, and if the jury thows the case out
I figure there might be widespread trouble.

This whole incident would never have happened if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle. I thnk the case ought to go to a grand jury myself. Let the facts come out, and if he is found not guilty then there may be widespread trouble. I am confident that if that happens Texas officials can deal with it here. Here in Texas, those putting out wanted dead or alive posters do not have immunity at the State level, as apparently they do at the federal level.

I figure if it comes out that Zimmerman did not have his nose broken, he likely will go to prison.

Does anyone know for sure that recently Martin was found carrying women's jewelry in his back pack with a burglary tool?
There was an initial report about it, but none of the news media seem to mention that now.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Does anyone know for sure that recently Martin was found carrying women's jewelry in his back pack with a burglary tool?
There was an initial report about it, but none of the news media seem to mention that now.

That was a separate incident. According to reports, in October Martin was suspended for writing obscene graffiti on a school door. During a search of his backpack, campus security found a bunch of women's jewelry and a watch, as well as a screwdriver. Martin said he got the jewelry from a friend but would not say who.

 

[MP1518]

Does anyone know the facts about this case? Or at least some facts???

 

[blujax01]

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I figure if it comes out that Zimmerman did not have his nose broken, he likely will go to prison...

Although the coroner has yet to speak publicly, someone thought to ask the funeral director some questions. And he stated that there is no evidence of bruised knuckles, cuts, scratches, or any signs of a scuffle other than the gunshot wound to the chest.

 

[blujax01]

That was a separate incident. According to reports, in October Martin was suspended for writing obscene graffiti on a school door. During a search of his backpack, campus security found a bunch of women's jewelry and a watch, as well as a screwdriver. Martin said he got the jewelry from a friend but would not say who.

Which is as relevant or irrelevant as Zimmerman being fired as a security guard because he was "overly aggressive", or that he was once arrested for fighting with a cop.

Hello pot? - this is the kettle calling!

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Which is as relevant or irrelevant as Zimmerman being fired as a security guard because he was "overly aggressive", or that he was once arrested for fighting with a cop.

Hello pot? - this is the kettle calling!

Right. Those with agendas will use the same tactics and then cry foul at each other.

 

[maddog909]

"This isn't rocket science, yet we make it more complicated than it needs to be."

Unfortunately there are attorneys who aren't rocket scientists and they are more than willing and worse yet trained to make it more complicated than it is.

 

[Chuck1217]

Maybe yall have heard the latest on the (-1-1 call. NBC played an edited version, showing that Zimmerman volunteered Martin's race. YTurns out, when you play the ENTIRE 9-1-1 call, the 911 operator ASKED about his race, Zimmerman only answered a question. If this turns out to be true, and I heard the REAL version, after all the other instances with major news outlets out and out LYING, NBC should be fined, have to issue extreme apologies, maybe run out of town. It's disgusting that they would deliberately turn this into a race issue.

 

[MP1518]

I agree with one of the members who said that some people who get a CCW act like James Bond.

There is a BIG difference between an off duty (or even retired) LEO and a person with a CCW.

I don't know other states, but in CA it makes a HUGE difference.