State live fire accuracy requirements

[Fide686]

NY just passed a law that will require 2 hours of live fire with 18 hours of classes for pistol permit renewals. I am interested in what other states have been doing for their testing.

Thanks in advance.

 

[jake1945]

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In Iowa, anyone with a clean police record can get a concealed permit that is good only in Iowa. We can also go to the sheriff's office and apply for a permit that is good in several other States, but costs $25 and renewable every 5 years. An applicant with veteran status does not have to attend a gun safety class (cost $50) or shoot their firearm. A citizen who is not a veteran has to do both.

 

[murphydog]

In my state, 8 hours classroom training. For live fire, 20 rounds on a standard B-27 silhouette target that have to be fully or partly hitting it at 7 yards.

 

[Fishinfool]

Here in PA, you stop by the County Sheriff's Office, have a cup of coffee and chew the fat with the Sheriff while the nice deputy runs your background, and prints up a new copy of your permit. I think it's $25.00, and good for 5 years.

I keep my state pistol permit up, even though I carry under LEOSA, which is actually more stringent than a civilian getting a permit in that you have to renew and qualify yearly on the same course of fire local LEO uses.

Larry

 

[bruce5781]

Here in Texas, live fire is 50 rounds at from 3 to 15 yards on a larger than life size silhouette. As long as you don't shoot the instructor, you are good to go.

 

[ken158]

Here in PA, you stop by the County Sheriff's Office, have a cup of coffee and chew the fat with the Sheriff while the nice deputy runs your background, and prints up a new copy of your permit. I think it's $25.00, and good for 5 years.

I keep my state pistol permit up, even though I carry under LEOSA, which is actually more stringent than a civilian getting a permit in that you have to renew and qualify yearly on the same course of fire local LEO uses.

Larry

LEOSA is the only way to go after 30 years on the job. I enjoy the annual training which (at my old department) includes a catered lunch and all the war stories you can stomach!

 

[glenwolde]

Here in Texas, live fire is 50 rounds at from 3 to 15 yards on a larger than life size silhouette. As long as you don't shoot the instructor, you are good to go.

You're pretty much right.

The course of fire:
Texas DPS CHL Range Qualification Requirements

Note you can miss all the 15 yard rounds and still pass. Shockingly few people shoot a perfect score.

I shot my last one with a Taurus .380 just to try and make it sporting. It wasn't.

 

[bigwheelzip]

... for pistol permit renewals.

We don't have a "Pistol Permit" in SC.
Conceal Carry Permit is 8 hours classroom and 50 rounds on range.

Permit renewals are free.

Conceal Permit holder has SC Open Carry privilege.





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[Muss Muggins]

Missouri requires that you do not shoot the instructor. Otherwise, you just have to make your pistol go bang . . .

NY just passed a law that will require 2 hours of live fire with 18 hours of classes for pistol permit renewals. I am interested in what other states have been doing for their testing.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Bald1]

NY just passed a law that will require 2 hours of live fire with 18 hours of classes for pistol permit renewals. I am interested in what other states have been doing for their testing.

Thanks in advance.

It's 16 hr class and live fire range requirements for new applicants only. NOT renewals. There was previously no range requirements and a much shorter class. NY is doing what it has always done. Make the process long and complicated so people don't bother. Several law suits have already been filed by individuals and firearms groups.

 

[growr]

Montana has NO classroom or live fire requirements....no wonder I
have lived here for most of my 66 years!!

Randy

 

[Paul in Nevada]

8 hour class with a live fire segment. Live fire test is at 3, 5, and 7 yards; 6, 12, and 12 rounds respectively. Shooter must score 70% on a B27/21 target.
Interesting to note how many other students were either new gun owners or at least new to the types of subcompacts they tested with. Many people struggled and some failed.

 

[steelslaver]

Nothing required by the state to get a permit if you want one. Your county's sheriff can ask for anything up to an NRA handgun safety course which doesn't take but a few rounds at close range. But, as long as you don't have anything to prevent you from purchasing a gun you don't need a permit here anymore to carry concealed.

My sheriff was fine with me having been in military. I took the NRA course just because. I keep my permit for out of state travel and here with a permit you don't have to wait on a call, just show your permit and fill out the 4473, pay your money and leave with your gun.

 

[Bald1]

What's funny to me is 43 out of 50 states (86%) has shall issue permit procedures. They are not the 43 states ranked highest in shootings. Places like NY , California and Chicago, are the law makers really that dumb or is it simply about power and control? It's clear every time they speak about any firearm they have no idea what they're talking about. In NY most of are laws regardless of subject are vindictive and knee jerk. Just counting down the days till my exit from this state.

 

[RCL-09]

...are the law makers really that dumb or is it simply about power and control? It's clear every time they speak about any firearm they have no idea what they're talking about. In NY most of are laws regardless of subject are vindictive and knee jerk. Just counting down the days till my exit from this state.

With some it is abject stupidity/ignorance.

With some it is abject dishonesty/lies.

With many it is both.

 

[duane_wade]

I got an Indiana lifetime permit that cost me around $100 so I'm not sure what the requirements are for renewal and since Indiana went constitutional carry this month there will be many that don't get a permit. I do because I travel out of state and want to be able to carry in those states that require a permit

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[Birdhunter6]

In IL a new applicant is required to do 16 hours of instruction. The qualifier is 30 rounds on a B-29 silhouette. 10 rounds each slow fire from 5, 7 & 10 yards. To pass 27 rounds must hit ANYWHERE on the silhouette. Strangely there is no restriction on the pistol used for the qual. Instructor's tell me target .22s have been used!

Recertification is required every 5 years. It's a 5 hour class and a reshoot on the qualifier.

 

[Borderboss]

In IL a new applicant is required to do 16 hours of instruction. The qualifier is 30 rounds on a B-29 silhouette. 10 rounds each slow fire from 5, 7 & 10 yards. To pass 27 rounds must hit ANYWHERE on the silhouette. Strangely there is no restriction on the pistol used for the qual. Instructor's tell me target .22s have been used!

Recertification is required every 5 years. It's a 5 hour class and a reshoot on the qualifier.

Not entirely true on the live fire. You must hit to get 230 points out of the possible 300 (70%). The entire silhouette does not have scoring capability. Parts of the silhouette are outside of the scoring rings, so hits there would count as zero points.

 

[smoothshooter]

Very predictable that NY will make people jump thru as many hoops as possible to get a CCW. And milk as many fees as they can out of applicants along the way.
Anyone shooting an assailant and not following EXACTLY lengthy and many protocols that will apply will find the training course used against them.
I would not be surprised if NY will require CCW people to be bonded as well.

 

[ispcapt]

Not entirely true on the live fire. You must hit to get 230 points out of the possible 300 (70%). The entire silhouette does not have scoring capability. Parts of the silhouette are outside of the scoring rings, so hits there would count as zero points.

Not exactly.
The scoring is hit or miss. Scoring rings are not used.
Target is specified as the B-27.
The scoring area use to be the center mass 11"X14". Now it is anything in the black on the target.
Course of fire is 30 rds. 10 rds at the 5 yd, 10 rds at the 7 yd, and 10 rds at the 10 yd line.
Minimum number of hits is 70% which is 21 hits in the black.
The course of fire is listed in the statute and in the Ad Rules.

In IL a new applicant is required to do 16 hours of instruction. The qualifier is 30 rounds on a B-29 silhouette. 10 rounds each slow fire from 5, 7 & 10 yards. To pass 27 rounds must hit ANYWHERE on the silhouette. Strangely there is no restriction on the pistol used for the qual. Instructor's tell me target .22s have been used!

IL statute says a B-27 target is to be used. The B-29 is 1/2 size.
21 hits not 27.
Caliber is whatever you want to shoot. Nothing in either the statute nor ad rules mention caliber.
Altho I have seen and heard from other instructors people try to use the Judge and .410 shot shells. None I've talked to have allowed it. There's no way to score hit or misses with shot shells.

For another's concern IL is shall issue. That includes Chicago which is no different than the rest of the state for CCW licensing and carry.