store mp15-22 cocked or uncocked?

[OldEagleEars]

If the gun is over 50-years old or cost less than $100 then the spring's metal quality would be suspect and might be best left uncompressed. I personally have my guns in the safe unloaded and de-cocked so when I load them I have to take a distinct action to make them ready to fire. The defense weapons (both pistols) are different. I have a .40 Glock that I cannot bring myself to trust because of that passive safety system so it stays in it's drawer case with a full magazine but nothing chambered and the striker released; I have to rack the slide to make it ready to fire (sleepy hands and a loaded Glock means a hole in the side of your nightstand and the wall!). The little concealed-carry S&W Bodyguard .380 is condition-one WITH the safety on unless it's with me in a possibly perilous place (mall parking lot at night for example), then the safety is off. I unload the magazines of both pistols every three months to release spring tension and rotate the "on-guard" ammo. It's what I was taught.

 

[Kayback]

I have a .40 Glock that I cannot bring myself to trust because of that passive safety system ....The little concealed-carry S&W Bodyguard .380... then the safety is off.

You do realize the conflicting statements there hey?

A Glock in a properly designed, properly maintained holster is as safe as any other gun.

Keeping your booger hookers off the trigger is key with any any all guns. Even sleepy and discombobulated you should pick up a gun without the finger on the trigger. You should not be relying on a manual safety to prevent a ND.

I get switching out carry ammo. There are some things that need to be done. Relieving the spring is actually doing it more harm than just leaving it though.

KBK

 

[Majorlk]

Good point. The rifle was taken out of the box at the store so I wasn't sure if it shipped with the safety on or off. After examining the packaging, the inner cardboard only fits properly with the safety on....meaning S&W must ship with the hammer cocked and safety on. Thanks.

With all due respect, this whole discussion is silly. How a rifle is shipped makes no difference to anything. There's not a right or wrong way - it's whatever YOU feel comfortable. Either way, there will be no damage to springs or any other part of the rifle.

 

[Majorlk]

If the gun is over 50-years old or cost less than $100 then the spring's metal quality would be suspect and might be best left uncompressed. I personally have my guns in the safe unloaded and de-cocked so when I load them I have to take a distinct action to make them ready to fire. The defense weapons (both pistols) are different. I have a .40 Glock that I cannot bring myself to trust because of that passive safety system so it stays in it's drawer case with a full magazine but nothing chambered and the striker released; I have to rack the slide to make it ready to fire (sleepy hands and a loaded Glock means a hole in the side of your nightstand and the wall!). The little concealed-carry S&W Bodyguard .380 is condition-one WITH the safety on unless it's with me in a possibly perilous place (mall parking lot at night for example), then the safety is off. I unload the magazines of both pistols every three months to release spring tension and rotate the "on-guard" ammo. It's what I was taught.

If you don't trust it, why do you still have it?

 

[OldEagleEars]

If you don't trust it, why do you still have it?

Dang good question! I bought it as a nightstand gun because I believed all the stuff about the passive safety system and the .40 S&W was touted as "what all the cops use". Basically I didn't know too much then; I was getting back in to shooting after almost 40 years and wanted something more elemental than photography to occupy my time. So I went from a .22LR target revolver to a Glock 22C to back up my barking dogs. I have relearned a lot since that purchase, and learned a heck of a lot more on top of that. I have also expanded my gun collection a bunch (including my 15-22) and become a rabid fan of the immortal 1911. So now I can think of only two reasons to have that plastic-pop-gun in my drawer: it has a rail for a light/laser and I have a whole lot of .40 S&W ammo in my safe! I know from experience that waking to an emergency is not a place where motor skills are at their finest so not having a secondary safety to lock the slide is asking for trouble when adrenalin and age conspire with mental cobwebs and make fingers less-than sure. I probably will sell the thing soon and put a 1911 in condition-one in it's place. And I'll still rotate my defensive ammo every three months (the hardball seems to disappear without me even trying hard!).

 

[OldEagleEars]

You do realize the conflicting statements there hey?

A Glock in a properly designed, properly maintained holster is as safe as any other gun.

Keeping your booger hookers off the trigger is key with any any all guns. Even sleepy and discombobulated you should pick up a gun without the finger on the trigger. You should not be relying on a manual safety to prevent a ND.

I get switching out carry ammo. There are some things that need to be done. Relieving the spring is actually doing it more harm than just leaving it though.

KBK

Yes, I realize the dichotomy in those statements. It isn't the picking up that is the problem with the Glock; it's the trying to locate it in the dark even when I know exactly where it is. As for the little .380; it has a looong trigger pull that is an effective safety device (almost like a DA revolver) so the slide-lock/thumb safety is a back-up (yes, I do wear a belt and suspenders if you were wondering). Disengaging it is a confirmation of situational awareness in my mind, just like flicking off the thumb safety on a 1911; an acknowledgment that I have entered an area of potential threat. I've seen adverts for a place that will add a slide lock to a Glock for a hundred or so but I think I will sell the G22C and put the money toward another 1911.

 

[Jyezahn]

Just FYI, in my experience, Air Force armories store their rifles bolt forward, dry-fired, safety off. Upon issuing the weapon, bolt to the rear, chamber check, bolt forward, safety on.

 

[DelFuego]

Just FYI, in my experience, Air Force armories store their rifles bolt forward, dry-fired, safety off. Upon issuing the weapon, bolt to the rear, chamber check, bolt forward, safety on.

But, those are centerfire weapons. I don't ever remember coming across any rimfire weapons while in the Army. Oh wait, I forgot that the Air Force was not part of the military, something about it being part of the peace corps.

 

[Jyezahn]

But, those are centerfire weapons. I don't ever remember coming across any rimfire weapons while in the Army. Oh wait, I forgot that the Air Force was not part of the military, something about it being part of the peace corps.

What difference does it make whether it's rimfire or centerfire? The discussion was about how to store concerning spring tension. Someone earlier (Majorlk) had mentioned how the military does it, so I chimed in.

And though it's been almost 5 years since I left the Air Force, if I remember correctly, we were blowing the **** out of everything pretty regularly. Not to mention the year I spent in S. Korea as OPFOR, we decimated your Army 3rd MI, and we were a group of 20 Comm troops. Almost my entire 14 yr military career in Combat Comm, I'm quite familiar with many military firearms. Good times.

 

[Majorlk]

Center fire or rim fire, makes absolutely no difference; the principles are all the same.

 

[Tommy kaira]

I'd always wondered about storing the mags loaded but it sounds like most of you guys do that. Hadn't really thought about the cocked/uncocked issue. I usually store mine with the bolt forward, dry fired. I'll be storing the magazines loaded now (but due to UK law all ammo has to be locked away seperate from the gun)

 

[Kayback]

(but due to UK law all ammo has to be locked away seperate from the gun)

Eish. Our sporting weapons have to be stored unloaded. There is some discussion going on as to what "unloaded" entails. Some say mag empty, some say no mag in, some say condition 1.

Mine are currently stored empty, with a whole safe full of loaded magazines. The GUN is unloaded. The magazines are not

My SD gun is loaded and 1 up 24/7. It is a Glock.

KBK

 

[FrikkinWeen]

I store mine unloaded in a gun safe that is lined with the feathers from an angel's wings and unicorn hide. That gun safe is housed in a concrete room with a granite door that is guarded by armed gargoyles. I cycle the action exactly 14 times prior to storage, then completely disassemble and reassemble the rifle twice.

The magazines are each kept in separate safes within their own concrete rooms, however those rooms are guarded by rabid pitbulls rather than gargoyles.


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