Stubborn barrel pin - help!

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Got one out no problem, second barrel big problem. It started with the #5 cup tip- barely- then the punch bent. So far I’ve bent two 1.5mm Allen wrench shafts, shattered several drill bits (reversed in a brass handle) Not sure what to do next, it just won’t budge. Bound up just before it would hit the barrel cut.

Ordered some A2 rods, a #55 drill blank …..left the frame in the sun for a while. What next?
 

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Are you trying to take OUT the one in the frame stub just below the bent punch? If so, the amount of the pin that it sticking out makes me think that there is enough "slop" in the hole that you're pounding against the side of the frame stub and not actually hitting the pin.

Mount the frame stub/barrel in a vise, clamp a set of vise grips on the pin and yank/twist that sucker out. I'll mail you a replacement. Do you want blued or stainless?

You could also try turning the barrel a little bit in the frame stub. It may be cockeyed and binding the pin.
 
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Are you trying to take OUT the one in the frame stub just below the bent punch? If so, the amount of the pin that it sticking out makes me think that there is enough "slop" in the hole that you're pounding against the side of the frame stub and not actually hitting the pin.

Mount the frame stub/barrel in a vise, clamp a set of vise grips on the pin and yank/twist that sucker out. I'll mail you a replacement. Do you want blued or stainless?

You could also try turning the barrel a little bit in the frame stub. It may be cockeyed and binding the pin.

The pin you see is free. The other frame has been swapped before, so I’m wondering if it was a hack job and the barrel grove was not relieved on the “new” barrel for the pin location in the new frame. I’ll try twisting the barrel a bit to see if it breaks loose.

Im about ready to go buy an arbor press. Perfect example of why I don’t borrow tools!
 
Aha....not the one in the stub frame.

You're past trying to save the pin now and just need to get it out. The important part to save is the frame.

Instead of 1.5mm allen wrenches, drop by Ace Hardware and pick up a couple of 1/16" steel punches. If the end of the punch is slightly too large, chuck the punch handle into a drill motor and spin the narrow part of the shaft against some sandpaper.

Don't use a light hammer. Use something that weighs 2 or 3 pounds and let the mass of the hammer do the work instead of velocity with a light hammer.

When you try twisting the barrel in the frame, remember that you have a 50/50 chance of making it worse. :(

You'll get there eventually. If you get frustrated, just put the whole thing back in the Ed's Red and work on the other one for a while. Patience is your friend.
 
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You might be dealing with two very short pieces of a bbl pin,,one put in from each side of the frame.

Sometimes, people change bbls and either forget, don't know enough, or can't get the bbl pin to go back into the frame.
They don't try and drill it clear. Maybe the replacement bbl didn't even have a clearance cut on it.

Whatever the case, the 'fix' is cosmetic. They cut two very short pieces of the bbl pin and round the ends a bit. Then punch one into place from each side of the frame into the hole.
It gives the effect of a bbl pin being in place. But in relity it's only the 2 short pieces, one on each side.
When you go and try to drive the 'pin' clear, you are driving one of those short pieces in and it stalls against the bbl threads.
About the farhtest it can be punched in is it gets flush with the frame/hole and that's it.

Usually, with a good frame wrench and bbl vise,,the assembly can be unscrewed with minimal damage to the bl threads as the pin pieces are very small and soft and only one side has been punched inward in the initial attemps to remove what appears to be a full length pin.

Might not be the issue, but it's something I've run accross.

Another is that people sometimes epoxy or superglue the pin into place when they are a loose fit upon assembly.

Also if the bbl and frame were hot blued together as an assembly, the hot blue salts can accumulate inside there and not get rinsed out. That can cause the inside area to rust quite aggressively and freeze the pin (and the bbl/frame threads) together.
Usually you will see some of the effects of the rusting or hot salts white 'bloom' around the bbl/frame joint if this is what is happening.
 
Thanks 2152hq for the detailed response. I think you are correct in one way or another. The pin is driving out the other side, so one piece, but I’ll bet it is fubared on way or another.

There was an idiot mark on the otherwise spotless frame, should have been a clue.

Edit - you got me thinking, which is rare. It’s a 15 with a 14 barrel, bluing is excellent but the 15 barrel that came with it has holster wear. I’ll bet the barrel was swapped, then reblued.

Further evidence - the frame finge looks blued, which confused me a bit.
 
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