shouldazagged
Absent Comrade
That's sad, and disturbing.
Surprising statistic (to me)...
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That's sad, and disturbing.
Rastoff
US Veteran
Sad but true. It has also been my experience that many with a permit still don't carry. In fact, I'd say the majority don't carry. Their excuse is that they don't go to bad areas usually. When they go to a bad area they'll carry. Silly, huh?
Well. I'm not going to make this into a huge deal, but the chances of you ever getting into a situation requiring your weapon is extremely slim to none. So I guess it's gambling on the small possibility that it won't happen. Probably odds are as good as winning the lottery. I don't think I'll ever win the lottery and I hope I'll never have to use my weapon.
I worked in armored car delivery for 28 years & my permit was for on duty while in uniform (Michigan). Then the permits changed to general we called it which is the same as all the permits issued now after the class & application fee. I carry every day & anywhere that's legal but I do have a lot of $ in guns & holsters. The surrounding suburbs of Detroit for me there are no safe areas anymore.
I live in the same area, and unfortunately I agree. The hood rats come to the burbs looking for targets.
ironhead7544
Member
One of the limiting factors is you are generally not allowed to carry at work. I once kept a crappy job because I could carry. The owner also carried. Nowadays, I always carry unless I have to go to a government building where it is not allowed.
Arik
Member
Not really. For instance, my dad doesn't carry. In 60 years he has never even seen a robber, burglary, hold up, street attack, or anything else that wasn't on tv. And most people are like that. Nothing happens in their lives. In the town I grew up there was one shooting back in the late 90s. It was a hit in broad daylight. One man walked up and killed another then walked casually back to his car and calmly drove off. Lots of eye witnesses but he was never caught. That's it, one shooting and it wasn't random. The other type of shooting that occasionally happens here is when the husband kills his wife and himself. This has happened a few times throughout the years. There are no method labs here or method heads or vagabonds or gangs.
Here's where he lives
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtown_Township,_Bucks_County,_Pennsylvania
I have never had a house fire but I have insurance for it & having a cpl (terminology for gun permit in Michigan) & carrying is insurance to me. The saying goes: A gun is like a parachute if you don't have one when you need it O Well.
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That really makes no sense...
when guns are outlawed... et cetera
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I am actually surprised the number is as high as it is. And I don't think that those who live in areas where they feel the need to carry constantly can apply their situation to others and expect it to be the same. Each person is licensed or carries based on their own need, and those needs can vary considerably..
Back when Missouri's various attempts at CCW were being put forward, a fairly significant number of people expressed that they really only wanted to be able to have a pistol concealed in their vehicle. . .
Ivan the Butcher
Member
As a kid we had rental units all around Ohio State University, by the time I was 10 we had intervened is around 7 rapes/abductions and a few burglaries and one robbery at knife point. That was in the old days when we couldn't CCW. Now we have CCW and are in trouble if we "Hunt" for trouble! I live on the outskirts of Columbus now, and the number of carriers is surprising, but on in town nobody but visitors carries. When you think you have nothing, you don't think it needs protecting? However: The very first CCW shooting/killing in Ohio was in a poor neighborhood by Dayton. Some (3) thugs tried to relieve and old man of his cigarettes, funny what you think is important enough to protect. One thug died, and 2 wounded/jailed finding out what "leave me alone" means! Ivan
gwpercle
Member
Don't bet the family farm on those poll numbers. A lot of people , myself included, carry but are not about to tell any poll taker they are/do carry concealed. None of their business.
Gary
Gary
My wife would be in that boat, if she'd ever get her freakin permit. She won't alter her wardrobe around carrying, so it'd almost always be purse or nothing, and she's not keen on carrying a gun in her purse with two kids and the possibility of her purse being stolen.
shouldazagged
Absent Comrade
I think these numbers don't come from polling but from public records of numbers of CCW licenses issued. I could be wrong; but I'm licensed to carry and wouldn't discuss that with a pollster.
Frizzman
US Veteran
Since I left law enforcement work, I have had two occasions to draw my concealed firearm. One time to prevent being jumped by three dirtbags who were going to try a strongarm on me. The sight of my weapon and the look on my face convinced them to run. The other time involved a large, vicious dog that attacked me and my dog while walking in my neighborhood. A couple hard kicks with my size thirteen boots to his muzzle made him back off and think about it. I drew my 640-1 and yelled "BACK OFF!" in my srongest command voice...He chose to run back the way he came...I was glad that I had gone to the trouble and spent the money to exercise my right of self-defense. If othrers choose not to carry, frankly I don't care. It doesn't effect my well-being. Judging by what I observe in my part of the state, concealed and open carriers are a small fraction of the population. I think if one is not willing to spend the time and money to become competent with their gun, I hope they don't carry a gun in public.
Every year, the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension issue a huge state Permit to Carry Report. It's all based on factual records, and has nothing to do with any polling.
I wonder how open carry would factor in. I don't know how many states have oc but here in NC you do not need a permit to open carry. However each city, township,hamlet, etc can restrict or limit where you can carry. Some do and some don't. I know people that won't get ccp because they don't like the idea of registration.
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