Freeway
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I thought the XPS would absolute co-witness with the Magpul sights. Just trying to make sure before spending that much!
Thanks!
Thanks!
SWS Brass Deflector is now available
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Dirt Dart
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You are correct. I tried it for a bit set up for absolute, but decided to change it to match my other AR's.
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That is a fantastic range report Dirt Dart! I greatly appreciate you taking the time to test this out.
I have been getting some good feedback from others who are helping out with the troubleshooting and I believe the fix will be to bend out the shield away from the upper 1\ and to close off the last 2-3 windows.
To those of you helping out with the testing, if you would take one of the blem shields I sent and bend it out 1\ and close off the last 2-3 windows (tape should work) and let me know how that works out.
Once I have a little bit more feedback I will have prototypes made up and sent out for final testing.
When this issue has been resolved anyone with the current shield design will receive the updated shield at no cost.
I have been getting some good feedback from others who are helping out with the troubleshooting and I believe the fix will be to bend out the shield away from the upper 1\ and to close off the last 2-3 windows.
To those of you helping out with the testing, if you would take one of the blem shields I sent and bend it out 1\ and close off the last 2-3 windows (tape should work) and let me know how that works out.
Once I have a little bit more feedback I will have prototypes made up and sent out for final testing.
When this issue has been resolved anyone with the current shield design will receive the updated shield at no cost.
Majorlk
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I still haven't made it to the range, for a variety of reasons. I am going tomorrow, rain or shine, unless it's a gully washer.
Do you mean to bend it out from the rear? I've already done that, but haven't taped it. I'll do that, too.
I also have one bent out from the bottom. I'll try both.
Do you mean to bend it out from the rear? I've already done that, but haven't taped it. I'll do that, too.
I also have one bent out from the bottom. I'll try both.
Zax
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I wonder if having the slots at 45° would help reduce bounce backs, or using holes rather than slots?
When others shoot my 15-22 with the shield they seem to have a lot of stovepipes, like every 2 or 3 rounds and with it removed the problem goes away. It seems to function more reliably for me, and the benefits certainly out weight the odd jam but I am interested to see a new and improved version that eliminated these issues.
When others shoot my 15-22 with the shield they seem to have a lot of stovepipes, like every 2 or 3 rounds and with it removed the problem goes away. It seems to function more reliably for me, and the benefits certainly out weight the odd jam but I am interested to see a new and improved version that eliminated these issues.
When you say last few slots, you mean the ones closest to the picatiny mount? Thats where I see the wear on mine.
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Dirt Dart
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From my 400 rounds, the most noticeable marking of the deflector occurred around the last three trailing slots (farthest away from the mount).
RedNeck Jim
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I hope I'm not being a jerk, but I don't want ANY jams to occur because of any addition to my rifle. I have the deflector & with the 1st magazine, I got 3-4 jams. No big deal and I just took it off. I wish no disrespect & have not complained & am glad to see SWS working on correcting the problem. However for me to put one back on, it has to perform flawlessly.
Majorlk
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Same here ... the last inch has the most anodizing removed from case impact.
Majorlk
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That's what we are trying to get it to do, Jim.
RedNeck Jim
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And I appreciate all your efforts, as I know SWS does.
My only point is I don't want it better... but flawless. If that is expecting too much, I'm not worried and will refuse any offer of a refund. I appreciate the American spirit demonstrated by folks like SWS, Tacticool22, and others. I likewise am greatly impressed with the attitude of the members here. No one is being ugly. All are supportive.
Majorlk
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I finally made it to the range for a couple of hundred rounds this afternoon. I put a hundred rounds through the rifle for each of the modified deflectors.
The first photo shows the deflector bent out in the horizontal plane. There was one stovepipe at 15 rounds and the remaining 85 rounds ejected just fine. One downside, is that the rounds were ejecting to the rear, rather than downward, through the gap between the deflector and the lower, occasionally hitting my arm. To me, this defeats the purpose of the deflector.
The second photo shows the inside of my unmodified deflector. As you can seen there is considerable wear along the last third of the length.
The third photo shows the deflector bent away from the lower in a vertical plane. In 100 rounds there was one stovepipe at 18 rounds. The remainder of the rounds ejected with no problem. I wish I had bent the bottom out a little more. Maybe next time.
I continue with my theory that the best solution is to increase the vertical angle between the lower and the deflector. This keeps the cases dropping downward. I will bend that deflector some more and try it again.
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Zax
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It sure does. I think that is worse than without the deflector.
Majorlk
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For those thinking of bending your 1st generation deflectors ... don't!
The tongue on them is shorter than the one on the longer, 2nd gen deflectors and trying to bend them will result in a fracture right across the innermost screw hole.
I learned the hard way.
The tongue on them is shorter than the one on the longer, 2nd gen deflectors and trying to bend them will result in a fracture right across the innermost screw hole.
I learned the hard way.
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Just wanted to let everyone know that I am working on a complete redesign for the brass deflector.
Here is one of the newer designs I have been working on. Hopefully in the next couple of weeks I will have handful of prototypes to send out for final eval.
Here is one of the newer designs I have been working on. Hopefully in the next couple of weeks I will have handful of prototypes to send out for final eval.
Majorlk
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That looks interesting.
Went to the range again today, and had numerous stovepipes with both the modified deflectors when doing aimed fire at a moderate pace - about one every 12 to 15 rounds. Rapid fire was one every other magazine. When I took it off, there were no stovepipes in 300 rounds. We fired about 600 rounds total. As in the last range session, the deflector flared out at the rear channeled cases out the rear and not downward, defeating the intended purpose.
We are going back out tomorrow with my original 45 degree rail and section of rail ladder.
Went to the range again today, and had numerous stovepipes with both the modified deflectors when doing aimed fire at a moderate pace - about one every 12 to 15 rounds. Rapid fire was one every other magazine. When I took it off, there were no stovepipes in 300 rounds. We fired about 600 rounds total. As in the last range session, the deflector flared out at the rear channeled cases out the rear and not downward, defeating the intended purpose.
We are going back out tomorrow with my original 45 degree rail and section of rail ladder.
Freeway
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When they are available, I will buy one! Just let me know when, and how much.
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Just wanted to let everyone know that I am working on a complete redesign for the brass deflector.
Here is one of the newer designs I have been working on. Hopefully in the next couple of weeks I will have handful of prototypes to send out for final eval.
I can evaluate the hell out of one of those if you'd like.
I'll be buying one for sure if they work 100%. I lost the one I made myself. It was ugly, but my forearm misses it.Similar threads
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