Did he say why and did S&W correct the problem ??
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Did he say why and did S&W correct the problem ??
halfmoonclip
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Much as I love the P365, it is indeed gigantic, compared to the BG2.0.
Horses for courses. If it has to be really small, really flat, have sights, and great ergos, the 2.0 is hard to beat.
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Cheyenne, I'm going back to read some of your earlier posts but haven't yet seen the answer to this question: What was your experience with XP feeding into your BG2? Did you have rounds hanging up on the ramp? Did you see setback of the bullet in the case?
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I have had one hangup on the ramp with XD ammo but I discounted it. I was doing limp wrist testing and I wanted to see what happened when the gun was almost empty. Rather than inserting a full magazine, I locked the slide back and put only two rounds in the magazine, then tripped the release and got a failure to go completely into battery. I got it closed and shot it without looking for setback. Setback occurs from normal feeding and loading, and is not dependent on a malfunction. I have experienced it with 3 different guns.
I have 50 XD handloads ready to go using new brass. I'll be testing it some more for malfunctions and to see if my handloads experience any setback. I'll probably also run some more factory ammo through it for the same reasons and also to see if my time splits are similar to those using practice ammo.
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Accept that I am twice as accurate with my P365.
I have a P365 with a Wilson Combat XL grip and a red dot on top. My BG2.0 with aftermarket sights is every bit as accurate as the P365. Both hit 8" plates all day long at 25 yards. I might stretch them out to 40 yards to see what happens.
Good detailed information. I was curious about the 380 Xtreme Penetrator. You mentioned that it was a round you considered to be equivalent to duty carry 9mm. From what you write above, I gather that you had no failures to feed with Penetrator?
Even if you can't count on a round (like the XD) to feed reliably, if you carry with a round in the chamber, you could hand cycle in a round of XD and then fill the mag with some other ammo you like. The most likely round to be used is the one already in the chamber.
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Good detailed information. I was curious about the 380 Xtreme Penetrator. You mentioned that it was a round you considered to be equivalent to duty carry 9mm. From what you write above, I gather that you had no failures to feed with Penetrator?
Even if you can't count on a round (like the XD) to feed reliably, if you carry with a round in the chamber, you could hand cycle in a round of XD and then fill the mag with some other ammo you like. The most likely round to be used is the one already in the chamber.
I don't think that I have fired any Xtreme Penetrators with the Bodyguard 2.0. I fired a bunch of no-longer manufactured Lehigh branded XPs (edit) and handloaded XPs (edit), and a few Underwood XPs (edit), out of my Sig P365-380 and Glock 42. I had a couple of instances with the Glock where the slide locked open with XP (edit) rounds remaining in the magazine. Some have theorized that the bullets sits pretty far out and that the tip of the bullet was hitting the tab on the slide release and causing it to lock the slide open. That was an easy fix to get the gun back in action. Yeah, you can load the ammo in the chamber and have different ammo in the magazine. Just be sure the gun cycles when the one in the barrel fires.
(Edited to correct references from XDs to XPs. I've run XDs also, but the question was about XPs)
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I appreciate hearing your thoughts @agksimon. My intention here isn't to be disrespectful. On the contrary, none of us want you wasting your time or hard-earned money by going down a rabbit hole, testing (cycling) your pistol by hand.
Cycling your pistol by hand has little, or... in most cases nothing to do with how that pistol will operate with live rounds. Resistance you feel when hand cycling a cartridge is usually overcome by the slide’s mass X velocity.
You must fire that pistol to produce accurate testing results. That’s why manufactures test-fire their weapons before bringing them to market, or after factory repairs are made. If manufactures could get away with function checking pistols without the cost of ammunition, they’d all be doing it.
Sorry to break it to be long-winded.
Cheers!
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So far I am not as accurate with my BG2.... and it's most likely just me and not the BG2. My P365 is way more comfortable with trigger pull, trigger finger position, and control. Obviously the shorter sight radius on the BG2 requires extra "control".
I am really looking forward to Armalaser's green laser!!
I'll do more testing next range day, including 25 yards, and one hand. But I will be surprised if my accuracy ability will be equal with both guns. As I have mentioned, my focus is on a hypothetical self-defense scenario at close distances.
I'm pretty sure that @agksimon did not imply that manual cycling was totally adequate by itself. And specifically said in earlier posts that some of the results were from firing (expensive) ammo. That surely doesn't mean that test firing is the only way to gain information about some of the functions of a pistol. I have saved myself many hundreds of dollars by returning barrels to the manufacturer without ever firing them because it was obvious that barrel could not accept the ammo I was using. Of course, once you have learned what you can by manual cycling, you will want to test fire. Both processes can go hand in hand. Yes, I know you know that.
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"Worked great" is a matter of perspective.....
Since 2018, Sig Sauer has faced over 65 lawsuits.
