Temporarily Disabling a Revolver

[Jeppo]

If you have an M&P, it's easy to pull out the striker. I'm not sure how the gun would "function" without the striker but you could easily try it.

About having ammo with them, you could bring a semi-auto, with or without magazine disconnect and leave the magazine at home. With the disconnect, the slide would function but pulling the trigger would do nothing. Without the disconnect, even the trigger would function. The only possible danger would be some kid who both brings THE CORRECT CALIBER ammo to the class (you could lessen the risk by bringing a more obscure caliber gun) AND knew how to lock the slide back plunk a round into the chamber and then release the slide to make the gun hot.

 

[GeoJelly]

Free replacement hammer or wooden dowels - best ideas yet. I kinda liked my idea until I thought some more about just how much pounding would/might be needed to get the super-glued snapcaps out of the chambers let alone the glue residue left in the chambers afterwards. Maybe your department will spring for one disabled revolver and auto just for occasions like this ... complete with welded or plugged firing pin or striker channels.

 

[ontargetagain]

I can appreciate teaching gun safety and proper handling in schools.

HOWEVER...........how safe is safe?? I personally would not want to be the one who takes a gun into a school to teach safety that could be fired at anytime, I would not want a gun that could be enable to be fired at anytime (total safety)

I am still with you in teaching safety 100% but my personal thought is to have a gunsmith or perhaps the police department supply a deemed (unable to fire) revolver. This could be one modified by a gunsmith to supply a hammer with no firing pin or ability to even accept a firing pin. I would half fill the chambers with JB Weld so a round could not be put into place. My gosh who know if someone possible brings in ammo on their own and somehow is able to load a gun? SAFETY total SAFETY is the utmost importance!

I read stories about safety officers, policeman, trainers who somehow make mistakes and fire weapons inadvertently! This CAN'T happen, sorry there are so many variables that need fool proofing.

My other thought, why a revolver? It is the least likely gun that young folks will come across. It is more likely to be a semi-auto and as we know that is much more tricky to understand in 'loaded or not' with magazine and one in the chamber. I think you teach on a semi-auto and chances are as you know if you held the gun up and pulled out the magazine and asked is the gun loaded or not you might get a few that say it is and most will say it is not..............
Sorry to ramble, would love to have the opportunity to help teach this sometime but I would want to be beyond sure I don't have a gun in the room that could possibly be fired ever!

Good luck with this and thanks for educating
Karl

 

[BlackTalonJHP]

Foam earplugs in each chamber

 

[Eddietruett]

Free replacement hammer or wooden dowels - best ideas yet. I kinda liked my idea until I thought some more about just how much pounding would/might be needed to get the super-glued snapcaps out of the chambers let alone the glue residue left in the chambers afterwards. Maybe your department will spring for one disabled revolver and auto just for occasions like this ... complete with welded or plugged firing pin or striker channels.

You could just heat up the cylinder with a hair dryer when ready to remove. Heat will break the bond of super glue or just get some acetone to run down the cylinder. It will break down super glue as well

 

[Thin Man]

The cop who is coming said the gun would be checked and no ammo in the room. The principal said "how do we know they won't have ammo on them since they know they will be able to hold the weapon?". Good point, I guess, in this litigious society.

As I said, it's a miracle the administration is even considering it.

I'm just trying to grasp this...
SO... the principal's line of "reasoning" (if it can be called that) is that a random student (in a law enforcement program, no less) may just happen to have ammunition of the correct caliber for a specific, previously unknown to them firearm that they don't previously know they are going to handle? And said student will then use that previously unbeknownst gun and fictional ammunition to some nefarious purpose... in a law enforcement program classroom environment with members of law enforcement in the room?
Am I understanding that correctly?
I get that a major dose of safety is in order, but the probabilities of such an occurrence taking place in such an environment are utterly infinitesimal.
Good on you for what you're trying to do, but to say that this "logic" strains credulity is a vast understatement.
Perhaps a bit of pre-education of the principal in question is in order?

 

[Chino74]

what about a CO2 / air gun, styled after a dble action revolver>? don't they make revolvers that have functional cylinders & hammers? My SAA version does...take out the Co2 it'll still cock & fire & cylinder etc will function I would think.

 

[Wee Hooker]

My father used to just slap me upside the head if I attempted to do something borderline unwise with a gun. That kind of teaching worked well as I recall.

 

[2152hq]

Take the cylinder right out of the gun,,can't be loaded or fired.
Pull the cylinder bolt spring & plunger out of the bolt itself.
Replace the bolt so you can put the thumb latch back on for looks.

It'll work SA and DA,, can't be loaded or fired,,show them the cylinder separately and how it functions.

The stripped cylinder cannot be reinstalled onto the gun and make it fire w/o some tools and the missing parts being provided.
About the safest I can think of around a bunch of kids that are going to be handling the revolver.

You don't want to present even a remote possibility of the unthinkable happening.
In todays anti gun climate there'll be enough people freaking out over it.

Times have changed since we brought our shotguns and rifles to school and put them in our locker. A little after school hunting was a common thing.

jmo

 

[rwsmith]

Use a revolver trigger lock.....

I have several revolver trigger guard locks that I use for that purpose.

The ones I have are keyed.

Master makes them and they cost about 10 bucks.

 

[Ronald_55]

How about substituting in an airgun? Leave the CO2 cartridge out and it can't fire. This one even loads like a real gun.
Crosman SNR357 (Black/Grey)

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[growr]

In a similar circumstance I have used a broken Airsoft Revolver I bought on eBay with good results and no hassles. Also use an M&P, 1911, and 3rd Gen Smith....

None of them work but do what "I" want....use them in classes as well.

Might work for you as well....

Randy

 

[murphydog]

If the model 36 used as the demonstrator does not have to fully function (meaning you do not to have to show how it extracts), put five empty unprimed cases in the cylinder and show the principal how it cannot fire with those in the charge holes.

Use white glue or something similar just to hold the empties in, and instruct everyone not to push on the extractor rod with any force.

 

[kraynky]

Makarov firing pins come out real easy, leaving everything else functioning properly. (If a semi-auto will work)

 

[mscampbell2734]

Reading this reminds me of the so called luxury of working for a very very large department.

We color code our weapons. Green is less lethal and orange is inert training weapons. All inert guns have had their firing pins ground short or removed.

I can submit paperwork and get 2 handgun/shotgun/rifle for training purposes.

For the OP I'd say the easy way to address this is to go with a different weapon, like a striker fired auto or 1911. Both have very easy to remove firing pin/striker.

 

[SAFireman]

Why not just take a gun out of the 'to be destroyed bin' cut the firing pin too short to function and use that for your demo, then put it back in the bin to be destroyed?

 

[bulletslap]

On another matter.

You should never assemble a AR without a firing pin, the bolt cam may rotate and the bolt will not rotate to unlock.
You will have a whole lot of fun getting it to unlock and you may have to go so far as pulling the barrel.

Using a firing pin with the tip cut off is what you want to do for an AR. For an older smith buy a spare hammer and remove the firing pin as mentioned in the above thread.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I'd just tell that nice principal "Thank you . . . " and call it a day . . .

So it's impossible to fire while teenagers are able to handle it. The cop who is coming said the gun would be checked and no ammo in the room. The principal said "how do we know they won't have ammo on them since they know they will be able to hold the weapon?". Good point, I guess, in this litigious society.

As I said, it's a miracle the administration is even considering it.

 

[ExRanger714]

Snap a handcuff through the trigger guard behind the trigger.

This is also a good trick if you have to leave a handgun behind in a vehicle. Attach the free end cuff to the seat frame under the seat. You can find a place where it can't be slipped off the seat frame.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Snap a handcuff through the trigger guard behind the trigger. . .

Clearly your experience with teenagers is limited. Even if you double lock the other cuff, I've got $5 that says that pistol is cuffed to a kid before it finishes the pass around . . .