THE 12 GAUGE

[1coolcat]

I have a question for the obsessed gents who hunt
For game birds and rabbits in the dense brush
What has been your experience .
I've hunted most of my youth..but it was rifle..deer.. fox.. tree rats..
When I was about 12yrs old my mother bake a goose..and it was the most nasty bird I ever ate.
Since that moment I've never had any interest in any bird..other then a moving target..that was our reactive targets as kids..direct hit..poof!! We were rewarded with a shower of plumage ..pretty nest up by today's standards..but then I dont remember birds ever carried virus to kill humans..leads me to believe we were all out side as kids blasting birds and kept there numbers in check..very important job for a youngster.
Haha
Anyway..
I'm lost..oh..so I've read that I dont need anything but a 20ga for my intended purpose..
My buddy say if I buy a .20ga hes going to make fun of me till the day I die unless that 20ga is for the wife.
His thinking..only gun that exists is the .12 ga you buy the 12ga and tune the choke and ammo to its intended use..but under no circumstances am I to purchase a .20 ga with out picking up a dress to go with it..
I dont see the point of throwing a sledgehammer through the woods to kill a bird.do I seek a .12 ga..or is it ok for me to get a .20 ga and not get made fun of.
I was actually looking at the stoegers..looks to be a very nice gun for the money..and there owned by Beretta I believe..
What to do

 

[JohnRippert]

Now you have shotguns and then you have the Winchester Model 12.

Or the Stevens 520/620 family of take downs. This one is a 16ga.

 

[opaul]

I love riot guns.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

For me it was Corporal Dwayne Hicks from ALIENS.

Except polymer framed pistols actually tend to recoil harder than steel-framed pistols because they're lighter in weight and polymer doesn't do much to absorb recoil forces.

Honestly, I'm no stranger to poking fun at young men these days for their effeminate choices in attire such as man-buns and leggings, (don't even get me started on the emasculating travesty that is manscaping) but their ain't nothin' wimpy about anybody who has the guts to take their safety seriously by choosing to carry a firearm for Self-Defense, especially in the modern day when the media does everything in its power to defame those who exercise their Second Amendment rights, and those Fisher Price pistols recoil a heck of a lot more than your very manly metal-framed pistols.

Just sayin'.

To each his own. I leave those emasculated pieces on the store shelf.

 

[opaul]

Ah, riotguns, my weakness.
I've got a bunch including Winchester, Remington, Ithaca, High Standard, Stevens, S&W, and Benelli

Is that the Winchester 1200 or 1300? How do you like it? I'm actually looking at a model 1300 for sale.
I'm thinking now it's the newer 1300 based on the receiver stock fit up..

 

[Echo40]

To each his own. I leave those emasculated pieces on the store shelf.

As long as you aren't also leaving your all metal pistols at home because they're too heavy and you've only got to run to the store, fine by me.

Personally, I overcame my biased against polymer framed pistols once I realized just how easy they were to carry. There were times when I left my gun at home because it was uncomfortable to carry on hot summer days and I didn't like having to strap it on for a quick run to the store, so I bought an LCP that I could easily carry in the pocket of a pair of drawstring shorts, just as a tool for self-defense, but quickly grew to love it. I've since bought a S&W SW40VE which has replaced my all metal guns for carry because it's lighter, less expensive, and less pretty, so I won't lose any sleep if it ends up in an evidence locker post usage in self-defense.

 

[ServiceGun]

Is that the Winchester 1200 or 1300? How do you like it? I'm actually looking at a model 1300 for sale.
I'm thinking now it's the newer 1300 based on the receiver stock fit up..

Pictured are an Ohio National Guard Remington 870, another 870, and the bottom gun is an Ithaca 37. I have both a Winchester 97 and 12 but somehow haven't picked up a 1200 or 1300. Yet

 

[growr]

90 plus replies and only 2 mentioned the Winchester 1200-1300 shotguns....Is there a problem that I am not aware of?

Randy

 

[SC_Mike]

Moss 590 A1

Rem 870P Before and after:

Rem 870 18 inch refinished myself, before and after:

 

[scooter123]

I've become a real fan of the 12 gage, enough to be set up to load my own shotshells and have a bit of a collection. Started shooting Trap in 2018 and since then I've picked up 2 pumps, 1 semi, 2 O/U, and 1 SxS. My favorite load is a 1 ounce 2 3/4 dram load of # 7.5 shot, right now have about 1200 of these hand loads boxed and ready for a trip to the range. BTW, between Trap, Skeet, and Sporting Clays I can have weekends where I'll go thru 150 or even 200 shells, so 1200 is really just a month or two supply.

PS; my House Gun is a Remington 870 Field and Home kit. So, it's loaded with 5 rounds of #1 buck sitting handy with it's 18.5 inch barrel. Seems way short compared to my 30 inch sporting shotguns but I've shot Trap with it using the 28 inch barrel and function is 100% perfect. It's also a very good Trap gun with a wonderful sight picture.

 

[Chino74]

Iv'e got a 1940's Remington Model 11 Auto Loader cut it to 18 inch barrel & found a Cutts Compensator for it & also a great old Rem. Police 870. I stripped the Remington 11 & replaced everything except for the recoil buffer in the way back of the receiver. The one in there is relatively OK. Replacing it seems to be a procedural nightmare of sort what with the need for a blind rivet to hold the buffer pad & drill / bit to remove old rivet among other items. Also the charging handle channel in the reciver will RIP the flesh off your hand if you are not careful. And if your finger ever gets in that receiver you'll be going to the ER, that bolt is pretty powerful. Did I mention it's a BLAST to shoot?

 

[opaul]

90 plus replies and only 2 mentioned the Winchester 1200-1300 shotguns....Is there a problem that I am not aware of?

Randy

Good question! I am in the process of having an Alaskan State Trooper trade in shipped to my LGS. This one is the model 1300 marine finish.
Everything I have read has been mostly positive in terms of quality and reliability.
I am not sure if mfg. cost or other issues entered into the lack of competition with the Mossberg or Remington. But for what ever reason they are not as plentiful on gun boards as the aforementioned fine guns.

 

[cmansguns]

Op just titled 12 gauge

Nothing says they need to be:
a. short barreled
b. only 1 barrel
c. plastic components
d. color black or other version of tactikool
e. have a sling or shell holder

I realize I'm probably not invited into the party with most of the posters above, but if need arises….I'm going to be OK with:

a. long....(some real long) tube(s)
b. multiple barrels, some adjacent to each other, some got top position over another
c. more than 1 trigger

For situations like posted way above where I need to help my partner over a fence....I won't risk breaking a stock, so I have the "other choice" like mentioned in the post.

 

[sheepdawg]

I am a fan of Model 12s!

Here's one of mine, barrel shortened to 14 inches. It's great in hallways or tight spots, including vehicles.

Everybody with one or a 97 has held the trigger back and started pumping. I tried it once. WHEW!!! nasty.

 

[Echo40]

I've hunted most of my youth..but it was rifle..deer.. fox.. tree rats..

Okay, I know I'm going to regret asking this, but... Why the euphemism? I actually had to look up what a "Tree Rat" was and it's a Squirrel. So why not just call it a Squirrel?

 

[charlie sherrill]

After a LEO career spanning over 40 years I've got a few riot guns:
1-Remington 31
2-Remington 870 long tube
3-Remington 870 short tube
4-Remington 870 specail built w/12" barrel and front and rear pistol grip, have appropriate federal stamp.
5-S&W 3000 long tube
6-S&W 3000 short tube
7-S&W 3000 long tube folding stock, pistol grip rear
8-High Standard long tube
9-Winchester 1300 long tube stainless marine finish
10-Winchester 1300 long tube blued
11-Ithaca 37 trench style police w/hand guard bayonet lug
12-Ithaca short tube marked "Cross P.D. (have no idea where this is)
13-Ithaca long tube marine finish
14-Ithaca short tube marked US, Viet Nam era w/ correct marking, serial number range, and correctly placed sling swivels.
15-Mossberg 590 w/hand guard and bayonet lug, former owner Biloxi P.D.

Some of these I carried on duty over the years. Three of them (2 870's and the Mossy) I bought at a police auction because they were there...and average price was $110.00. I might have missed one, not sure.

 

[gonerydin]

Okay, I know I'm going to regret asking this, but... Why the euphemism? I actually had to look up what a "Tree Rat" was and it's a Squirrel. So why not just call it a Squirrel?

A squirrel got into my neighbor's house while they were away on vacation. They now refer to them as "tree rats".


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[DeafSmith]

I'm holding out for Mossburg to make their shockwave HARD CHROMED, just like their mariner. And choke tubes in it. I don't like the coat jobs and I prefer to be able to adjust the patterns.

 

[typetwelve]

Shotguns came up on another forum, so I posed this one up as I haven't taken a pic of the TPS in a long time.

I had to put that limbsaver on it...the recoil from the thing was miserable. My reason for busting it out was that I popped on a red dot I had sitting around unused. It really works well with that shotgun.

 

[Qc Pistolero]

12ga pump;they used to call it an ''alley cleaner''.
I still do!

 

[JayFramer]

Okay, I know I'm going to regret asking this, but... Why the euphemism? I actually had to look up what a "Tree Rat" was and it's a Squirrel. So why not just call it a Squirrel?

Because that's basically what they are. A rodent that goes in the tree, and instead of cheese, eats acorns.

 

[JayFramer]

I had a Model 12 Winchester years ago. The slamfire ability was insane. Basically like having a full auto shotgun. Recoil with 00 buck was intense, and the barrel would "walk" up just like a machine gun. Insane firepower for trench work or jungle patrols. Best to have a buddy with a Thompson or M16 to lay down some coverfire while you reload, though!

I read years back the Brits found in Malaysia the shotgun had a higher hit percentage in jungle warfare than a submachine gun. I believe them!