The Ammo World has Turned Upside Down

[smith17]

That is when a whole bunch of the paranoid overloaded xxxxx's, realize that they have been duped. Not an accusation, just the facts. Those of us old enough, have learned to not fall for that obvious deflection... Pay attention and you too, will develop greater awareness of what is actually happening. Hang in there...

Mike:
With all due respect, if you aren't one of those who is paranoid, why are you paying 70 cents a round for 5.56?
Ed

 

[BC38]

I'm sorry, I do not understand your comment, unless it is some form of braggadocios. Only "2K"...? And in how many calibers? I also saved over $100 on my last .223 purchase this past year.

As stated, 2k is about the the amount of factory 223/556 purchased less than a year ago for 20 cents (or less) per round. I also purchased an equal amount of 7.62x39 for just a little less per round. Since I have purchased comparable amounts in the last year, for 1/3 the price, I can't get excited about 60-70 cents a round because it is still a gouging price IMO.

FWIW, I ALSO have +3,500 53gr Sierra MKs and +16lb of H322, ~5k Rem 7-1/2 primers, and brass... etc. And ~35lb of powders total... Not to mention my "loaded" reserves... and reloading supplies...

Very good. We're in about the same boat on the 223/556 bullets, though I think I may have been buying a bit more primers and powder. Another reason not to be thrilled about the kind of prices you've just paid. With all those components why would you pay such a high price for factory ammo? And then "brag" about the price you paid. I don't get it.

Not to mention having +5k loaded 9mm Luger, and several "Ks" for my revolvers... Bullets/powder/primers... too many to count going forward.

Geez, my point is that one should be careful when posting/bragging. And yes, I have under "estimated/quoted" my current status. BTW, my 24/7/365 security cams work and record... Either of us could be held accountable for violations of associated laws, just saying... So be careful going forward.

If you are not as aggressive a your posts suggests, then I apologize.

Again, we're of the same mind and similar levels of preparedness for feeding our handguns. My point has nothing to do with aggression. My point was and still is, why pay such a high price for ammo if you already have a good stock and plenty of components to load more? Doing so amounts to seriously over paying IMO - almost like panic buying - and that makes no sense to me.

FWIW, your "point" about it being unwise to post too much info about what we have - right after you've just posted a detailed description of a substantial inventory - comes across as really self-contradictory.

 

[BC38]

Mike:
With all due respect, if you aren't one of those who is paranoid, why are you paying 70 cents a round for 5.56?
Ed

EXACTLY!!!

 

[BC38]

From our standpoint as firearms enthusiasts I have to disagree. During that time we had the expiration of the Assault Weapons Ban and the SCOTUS case DC v. Heller. Both of these were HUGE wins for the 2A community. Not to mention the massive increase in Concealed Carry and Open Carry laws that have been enacted.

The last two decades have made gun ownership and gun laws much more liberal (the textbook definition, not the political one). I for one much prefer to live under the current interpretations of the 2A as compared to almost any time during the first 200 years of our Constitution. Historically speaking for us, things have seldom been better.

True, but losing both houses of congress and then the WH is not something you're anxious to repeat. It was a very painful lesson for the D's that they haven't forgot.

Rob

You bet, we are in a better place - at the moment. BUT, a lot has changed since the AWB expired and since the Heller decision.

The anti-2nd-Amendment crowd currently has the House, it looks like they are about to have the Presidency one way or the other, and they have a pretty good chance of having the Senate as well in the very near future.

The next AWB, if they can get it enacted, is very unlikely to include a sunset provision like the old one. Remember what the VP-elect said about what she would do in the first 100 days if she became President? Consider the fact that she is soon to be one heartbeat away from holding that office. Also consider who the President Elect just selected for his Cabinet. None other than Beto "Hell yes we're coming for your AR" O'Rourke.

While the last 6-12 years have seen some very good, key, things break in our favor, I think that those days may very well be at an end.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but from my perspective it doesn't look very good right now.

 

[HorizontalMike]

You bet, we are in a better place - at the moment. BUT, a lot has changed since the AWB expired and since the Heller decision.

The anti-2nd-Amendment crowd currently has the House, it looks like they are about to have the Presidency one way or the other, and they have a pretty good chance of having the Senate as well in the very near future.

The next AWB, if they can get it enacted, is very unlikely to include a sunset provision like the old one. Remember what the VP-elect said about what she would do in the first 100 days if she became President? Consider the fact that she is soon to be one heartbeat away from holding that office. Also consider who the President Elect just selected for his Cabinet. None other than Beto "Hell yes we're coming for your AR" O'Rourke.

While the last 6-12 years have seen some very good, key, things break in our favor, I think that those days may very well be at an end.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but from my perspective it doesn't look very good right now.

And "I" am the paranoid one...?

You're funny...!

The clouds are thinning down here in Texas, and I just love those big blue skies! Just sayin'...

 

[HorizontalMike]

Mike:
With all due respect, if you aren't one of those who is paranoid, why are you paying 70 cents a round for 5.56?
Ed

Because I can.

Not crazy about the prices, but considering the climate decent deal$ can still be found. BTW, 2nd Amend. has never been that cheap of a hobby/interest to indulge in. And "cheap" is a relative word, depending on your own $ituation at the time.

 

[Ugly Hombre]

The new Biden administration has said they are going to move very fast on enacting restrictions on guns and ammunition and increasing taxes on the same - I take them at their word in this case and believe them.

They will have the house the senate and the white house sadly- and will be able to accomplish their plan- most probably.

I hope I am wrong.

 

[Dave Lively]

Confused here... More than two hours later, this 5.56x45mm is STILL AVAILABLE on MWUSA, more than two hours later. Please don't tell me that those complaining about a LACK of ammo "don't need" that many rounds. That said, only 1,000rd increments are available...
'Nuff said...

My favorite online store has had both 9mm and 223/5.56 available and in stock for a few weeks now. The catch is for brass case ammo 9mm FMJ is going for about $.70/round and 223 is about $.80/round.

While that is way more than I am willing to pay it is good to see that the market has stabilized enough that there is a going rate. A few months ago there seemed to be no limit to what people would pay. I really hope that as more people see ammo on the shelves they will calm down, decide they have enough for now, and pass on buying at these prices. Only then will prices fall. Prices will fall but its going to take months before they get low enough for me to buy any.

 

[shil]

I had 5 cases of 9mm at the show last weekend, I was charging 28$ a box my cost was 25.50$. I felt bad to have that price but all but 10 boxes sold. Someone's getting rich and it ain't me. Several people made some not so nice comments claiming gouging. I showed them the slip what I paid and told them at 2.50$ a box I considered it a public service!

Commendable, Bob, as honor and honesty should be.

 

[shil]

I think it's some sort of retirement plan. When the sporting goods stores get ammo around here, all the retired dudes are at the door waiting. Its gone in an hour, in the middle of the day. Then they sell it on the gun boards for double or triple the cost.

It's fun to watch the geezers stumble down the aisles, racing to be first at the ammo counter! BTW, I am a 70-year-old geezer, lest I be accused of ageism.

 

[BC38]

And "I" am the paranoid one...?

You're funny...!

The clouds are thinning down here in Texas, and I just love those big blue skies! Just sayin'...

As the saying goes, it isn't paranoia when they really ARE out to get you. If you think the left isn't out to "get' gun owners you are sadly mistaken or living on another planet. The fact that you have accumulated all that you've listed, and are still buying more despite the crazy prices, is proof positive that you DO believe that they are going to move forward with their stated agenda.

You also have a weird sense of humor. Personally, I don't find any of what is happening in our government, or anything I see coming as being "funny" at all - unless by funny you really mean suspicious.

So I take it you don't believe Joe, Kamala, or Beto meant any of the things they said, huh? Because unless there is a Christmas miracle it is sure looking like they are going to be the ones in charge very soon.

Guess we'll see, sooner rather than later.

 

[HorizontalMike]

BC38, I do not believe for a second that 2nd Amend. restrictions are at the top of the list of any 2021 to-do agenda. That is just not practical.

And BTW, the miracle you speak of came in Nov. this year. Surely you don't believe that all the "liberal thinkers" are causing the widespread shortages, by buying up all the guns & ammo... right?

 

[jkmo]

Was at the St Louis Cabelas today. Pistol and almost all rifle ammo was non existent. You would probably do ok on shotgun shells. A bid reloading store in St Louis hasn't had pistol primers for months and don't expect any until mid year 2021.

 

[BC38]

BC38, I do not believe for a second that 2nd Amend. restrictions are at the top of the list of any 2021 to-do agenda. That is just not practical.

And BTW, the miracle you speak of came in Nov. this year. Surely you don't believe that all the "liberal thinkers" are causing the widespread shortages, by buying up all the guns & ammo... right?

You really don't believe that the new administration is going to focus on more gun control? I think you are lying to yourself. They have said they would, and they are putting the most openly anti-gun people they can find in place to do it. Even the ATF is already starting to gear up and take more aggressive action in anticipation of being given a more free hand. Maybe you need to take another look around you.

What miracle in November? The election? You think the way it appears to be headed is GOOD for the future exercise of 2nd Amendment rights? How about just saying what you mean instead of writing riddles that don't even make sense?

As to your question, do I think the left is buying up guns and ammo? In the conspiracy sense of trying to create or even exacerbate a shortage, no.

If you mean do I think that more liberal types have bought their first gun in response to the things that have been going on, then yes. I'm sure there have been a number on the left who are part of the 7 million. We're also seeing more guns in the hands of leftist protestors. Does that mean they're arming up and buying up guns? I dunno. Obviously at least some of them are getting guns from somewhere.

 

[s&wchad]

The current shortages are a sad situation, but members obviously can't leave the politics out of the discussion. Nothing we say here will change anything.

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