The media is spreading fear

ladder13 said:
It is truly amazing that with the "experts" devising a plan to get America back to work the internet experts still want to hide in their closet.

Not one of them has offered a thing except wait...1...2 ..3 years.
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Without sufficient testing there is no plan, IMHO. We are not even close yet, although the UK looks to be in even worse shape by some measures.

The US has tested approximately 1% of the population and has a 20% hit rate compared with Germany that has tested 2% of the population and has an 8% hit rate. I think this suggests our testing is way behind the infection curve. Not good.

How Bad Is the Coronavirus Outbreak? Here's a Key Number. - The Atlantic
 
LVSteve said:
Without sufficient testing there is no plan, IMHO. We are not even close yet, although the UK looks to be in even worse shape by some measures.

The US has tested approximately 1% of the population and has a 20% hit rate compared with Germany that has tested 2% of the population and has an 8% hit rate. I think this suggests our testing is way behind the infection curve. Not good.

How Bad Is the Coronavirus Outbreak? Here's a Key Number. - The Atlantic
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I think this suggests we don't have enough test kits to go around yet so only the sickest people are getting tested. Hence the high positives rate - as explained in your article.

Is Germany using the exact same criteria we are for determining who gets tested? Maybe, maybe not. Comparing the two and trying to draw some kind of conclusion from the comparison is pointless without that info.

The one thing that is certain is that we need a LOT more test kits and need to be testing a LOT more people. Not only for the virus, but also for the antibodies.

Otherwise we're just taking a shot in the dark, and that isn't the best path out of this mess.
 
Without way more tests for who has it and a reliable antibody testing and some proof that antibodies give resistance to reinfection open very much up is extremely short sighted and reckless.

Gilead Science'a antiviral drug Remdesivir appearing to have the ability to successfully treat the virus would change everything if it proves out.
 
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What bugs me...

..is that they have built the 'China weaponizing viruses' thing into a conspiracy. It's not treated as conjecture, they have 'facts', tie ins and proposed planned effects all worked out to be 'believable' by people prone to believe everything they hear on the news.
 
I have an honest question that none I know can answer.

All the talk of more testing, so if we were to test everyone. You can test negative yet still be a carrier of the virus. So what does testing really do? Sure it can dictate treatment and help the hospital but the lines at the pharmacy to be tested seem a waste?


NYS just said closed another month...
 
rwsmith said:
..is that they have built the 'China weaponizing viruses' thing into a conspiracy. It's not treated as conjecture, they have 'facts', tie ins and proposed planned effects all worked out to be 'believable' by people prone to believe everything they hear on the news.
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My understanding is that labs all over the world experiment and make awful viruses. It's nothing new, it's not to make bioweapons. As I understand its actually medicinal research.

Usually, this type of work has strong protocols to contain these things. This time something went wrong and the virus escaped the facility and spread to the public.

The issue is the cover-up as to the who, what, when and where. If they spoke up the moment they realized what was going on. It could have been contained and none of the global issues would have taken place.

I don't think the above is even debatable at this point and is a fact as best I know.

What is very debatable is why the coverup and lies about it. Also who was involved with the coverup and disinformation being decimated to the world.

The next issue is what do we do about it so it does not happen again?
 
I've reread the forum rules again. Rule3, especially the last part, will lower my blood pressure. A good thing since HBP is a risk factor. Life is good. :)
 
NYlakesider said:
Well I certainly fit the above described description words!Pension SS but not the concept!

As a retried Very Blue Class worker I do not like what is happening my "poldar" (political radar) is starting to go into overdrive.

Rules are changing daily sometimes hourly and not for the better. This pensioner misses going out to restaurants, stores and having to dress like were looking for a role in a new TV doctor, hospital type show.:mad:

Due to my knee problems and subsequent surgery last year I only use one tank of fuel in my Vette.. Is it going to be legal to drive it top down this warm weather period? (serious question) Are they going to outlaw motorcycles same reason but those people do wear helmets with many using full face shields.

Marinas closed but I can launch from my private beach if necessary. (as of now) At least I have my own private 100 yard range on the back of my property. I sort of can see into the future and as I'm no Nostradamus I will/am getting some things figured out.:eek:
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You're concerns are valid.

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I have an honest question that none I know can answer.

All the talk of more testing, so if we were to test everyone. You can test negative yet still be a carrier of the virus. So what does testing really do? Sure it can dictate treatment and help the hospital but the lines at the pharmacy to be tested seem a waste?


NYS just said closed another month...
 To answer the direct question you can test Positive and NOT be symptomatic after you have been exposed to the Virus. They test a Blood sample for IGG and IGM the antibodies your immune system makes to fight virus. So If you have been exposed, and not symptomatic you will test ***...Like you will with any other Vaccination its a Non active virus injected into your blood stream so your anti bodies can fight the virus...ie small pox or MMR vax. As to the whole issue this has gotten out of hand with the shut down. Look its going to be around for awhile we cant shut down our nation for a year. In addition I reviewed a chart here in CLT where the Pt has a GSW to the head AND he tested ***... cause of death... Covid 19...not the lead in the head... THIS IS JUST A HUGE GOV HAND OUT TO BIG COMPANIES AND HOSPITAL FOLKS...Was your Paws, keep a little distance and don't eat Bat Soup.
 
Mrnurse said:
I have an honest question that none I know can answer.

All the talk of more testing, so if we were to test everyone. You can test negative yet still be a carrier of the virus. So what does testing really do? Sure it can dictate treatment and help the hospital but the lines at the pharmacy to be tested seem a waste?


NYS just said closed another month...
 To answer the direct question you can test Positive and NOT be symptomatic after you have been exposed to the Virus. They test a Blood sample for IGG and IGM the antibodies your immune system makes to fight virus. So If you have been exposed, and not symptomatic you will test ***...Like you will with any other Vaccination its a Non active virus injected into your blood stream so your anti bodies can fight the virus...ie small pox or MMR vax. As to the whole issue this has gotten out of hand with the shut down. Look its going to be around for awhile we cant shut down our nation for a year. In addition I reviewed a chart here in CLT where the Pt has a GSW to the head AND he tested ***... cause of death... Covid 19...not the lead in the head... THIS IS JUST A HUGE GOV HAND OUT TO BIG COMPANIES AND HOSPITAL FOLKS...Was your Paws, keep a little distance and don't eat Bat Soup.
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As the son of a undertaker I have seen my share of death certificates. At this time my father is long gone and I have not seen any modern D.Cs since 1995. They used to list as cause of death the big issue and then listed other contributing causes.

Just another way for the big mouths to manipulate the "findings" based on what I see and hear!:mad:
 
Fear in itself is a good thing, we as firearms owners and concealed carriers practice a lower fear factor in the form of situation awareness.

When fear becomes all consuming it is bad, many people are now at that point now thanks to the mass media.

What do we fear?
Becoming ill ourselves? Dying?
A loved one getting sick or dying?
Being a carrier of the virus?
Downturn of the economy?
Losing your job?
Not having food?
Losing our rights and freedoms?

Mass media throws fear at us 24/7, it is good for their business. They make their millions on theories and data to drive fear into us.

I refuse to allow fear to rule my life.
 
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