THE MOST IMPORTANT REVELATION I'VE MADE RECENTLY IN CCW

[oneounceload]

I have carried (pocket) a Kahr CM9, a 642, LCP. I now own 2 365s and with the 12 round mag, they fit my hand perfectly. I still use the LCP when wearing basketball type shorts where the "belt" is a drawstring, otherwise, it's the SIGs

 

[hardknocks]

P365

Been about 6 weeks in a Tommy Thies IWB and I can't find one thing I don't like about the P365.
In south florida I only wear thin t shirts and it's very easy to conceal which is very important to me, not to mention what has allready been stated in this thread.
They have a winner with this gun.
I have a couple snubs I can and sometimes carry but not lately.
I agree with the OP some good points made.
I suspect my brother will replace his G26 as soon as he tries my 365.
Now they have a 15 round mag available for the 365.
Regards

 

[oldiegoldie]

i'm picking up my P365 MS [manual safety] tomorrow and very excited. if it lives up to my expectations, the slide, barrel and magazines will make a trip to Robar for NP3+. it will ride in an Exarchy owb holster and eventually i'll plump for a Wright owb holster. Exarchy is best hybrid holster i've owned.

 

[sotexas]

My P365 has pretty much retired my other carry guns. Carried a S&W PC .45 for a long time. I use a VersaCarry or Crossbreed for IWB carry for the P365. Occasionally rotate the .45 or a 1911 in but the P365 is the overwhelming winner.

 

[Smoke]

Armed citizens more often lose self-defense encounters due to the gun being inaccessible, the gun being carried in a condition where it's not ready to be fired or due to some type of malfunction,

Source please?

 

[blues7]

I just saw this post today on pistol-forum from their LE forum moderator(BehindBlueI's). I have no clue who he is, but the known instructors on the forum seem to really respect his opinion and he appears to know his stuff...

"I don't see a lot of corpses with j-frames in their hands. For random violence, it's a wash. I've yet to see any compelling statistical evidence that j-frame carriers are losing at rates higher than those of semi-autos. In the untrained or semi-trained individuals hands they are actually doing pretty danged well because there's no safety to forget to take off, they "feed" the cheap-*** ammo they bought, and the lack of maintenance hasn't bricked it. Remembering that, per my stats, more people lose by pulling a non-functioning gun than lose because they missed, that's kind of a big deal for a large segment of the public. "


And this from Craig Douglas..

"Running dry usually isn't the issue. The issue generally is either not being able to make a meaningful hit before an entanglement occurs or coming out of one with a non-functioning gun because it went out of battery with hands all over it because someone didn't/couldn't hold their thumb pectoral index."

"BBI", (BehindBlueI's), is a friend of mine from Pistol-Forum, a former plainclothes detective, current uniform sergeant for the Indianapolis P.D. He is very knowledgeable and compiles statistics from his own department as well as elsewhere in regard to shooting incidents and filtering what we can learn from them.

Craig is another associate, very well respected, (as you know), who needs little introduction to most folks who are interested in this subject and arena on the web.

 

[oldiegoldie]

picked up P365 MS yesterday. surprised how small the pistol is. the safety is slimmer than i anticipated. picture compared to Bodyguard.

 

[Chief Wiggums]

Wondering if you (OP) considered or tried out the MP Shield 9mm before deciding on the SIG?

or the MP M2.0 9mm compact

 

[oneounceload]

SIG is a lot smaller than the Compact which is more like a Glock 19

 

[roo_ster]

NEW GUN DESIGNS
I am glad whenever a new gun model comes out that is of quality and utility. More and better selection is great, even after I have settled on my CCW stable. Sometimes guns come out that folk buy in hope (due to features, etc.) that it will be of sufficient quality and they are disappointed when it really could have used more quality assurance work.

SIG P365 is one of those. Great numbers and great shooter, but not up to snuff, reliability-wise. Have not heard of any recent rashes of P365 issues. (But have not looked for, as I am not a SIG-hater.) And it sounds like it required two more redesigns to get it right. Hopefully SIG has taken care of the issues and they are high-quality, high-reliability pistols. Still, I am reinforced in my resolve not to be the alpha tester for gun companies in general and SIG in particular. But if everyone took my tack, no new gun design would get off the ground. So I am thankful for those that throw their chips to the wind and sometimes take it in the jimmy on a new gun design.

But it looks like SIG got the P365 right in the end. There are some companies that never do. Remington (R1) and Beretta (3032) come to mind.

I keep getting the desire to buy a SIG P938 or P238, so I want SIG to keep things together.

J-FRAMES vs POCKET AUTOS
As for polymer pocket autos in 9mm or better vs J-frames, I am glad both options exist. I fall on the side of the J-frame. Particularly a SW638 with a Crimson Trace LG-105 laser. Looking at the P365 vs J-frame comparison photos above, it looks like a wash for maximum LxWxH dimensions. But the configuration of those dimensions, IME, favors the J-frame for concealability, especially in the pocket. I have toted similar pocket double-stack mag polymer pistols and that fat grip and blocky slide make it harder to conceal for pocket carry. A further hit to pocket carry concealability comes in the Crimson Trace "Laser Guard," which imparts to the P365 or similar pocket double stack polymer pistols more bulk under and in front of the dust cover and makes most belt holster options a non-starter (if you want to use one). The CT LG-105 adds zero bulk to my SW638.

Why harp on the laser sight? Because it makes a short sight-radius pistol with (many times) compromised sights into a terrific hitter out to 25 yards in low light. With the DA/SA capability of my SW638, I can put up tiny groups on sihlouette heads at 25 yards even in low light, about as tiny as when I use the SA mode in good light. Let there be no doubt: laser sights on a pocket gun are a killer app.

I don't think pocket double stack polymer pistols are bad, just that they make different design compromises that value round capacity over concealability. I still own one my own self.

Where I think J-frames have stiffer competition is single stack pocket autos, especially aluminum alloy framed examples that are generally thinner than polymer single stacks. Suckers are FLAT. Like the SIG P938. Still, the Crimson Trace laser options make them less concealable and preclude the use of most belt holsters when that might be handy.

About the only thing that could woo me away from my SW638+CT LG-105 would be a SIG P938 with a real, slim laser grip. Hubba, hubba.

 

[ladder13]

..........I've had Cheif's Specials fail due to broken Rebound Springs, broken Studs, and from time to time a Firing Pin will break. Yet they always say Revolvers are the most reliable!

Indeed, "but they go bang every time".

I just did a quick browsing of broken hammer studs in the 1980 to present section, there's many instances, I'm sure I could find lots more.

Did a weight test of various J's I own and my P365.
Ammo was Speer GD's. 135 gr for the 38's, 124's for the 9.

P365 with 10+1.... 22.45 oz
P365 with 12+1.... 23.30 oz

940 9mm 5rds..........22.80 oz factory wood magna's

M60 NY-1 5Rds ........22.80 oz factory wood magna's

38-3 Airweight 5rds ....16.35 oz factory wood magna's

The P365 has the weight and capacity advantage over the steel J's anyway you cut it.

The Airweight 38-3 has the weight advantage but not enough to give up 6-8 rds, for me. And then there's the hammer stud issue with the Airweights.

My P365 has been flawless for 1300 rds, I take reliability opinions, including those of so called experts with a grain of salt.

As far as statistics, they mean nothing when you are the 1%.

Carry what you like and are comfy with, I do. I carry mine daily, in my pocket.

Anyone who has read my issues with Sig knows I am not some fanboy of Sig. The P365 is exceptional.